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| Thread ID: 145531 | 2017-11-25 04:24:00 | Flat-Earther to Launch Himself..... | SurferJoe46 (51) | PC World Chat |
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| 1442568 | 2017-11-25 04:24:00 | . . . . . in a Homemade Steam Rocket Saturday By Mike Wall, Space . com Senior Writer | November 22, 2017 06:49am ET Well, this should liven up everyone's Thanksgiving weekend . A flat-Earth enthusiast who claims not to believe in science, plans to launch himself 1,800 feet (550 meters) above California's Mojave Desert in a homemade steam rocket on Saturday (Nov . 25), the Associated Press reported . The daredevil, 61-year-old limo driver "Mad" Mike Hughes, built the rocket and its launch ramp himself for about $20,000, according to the AP . If ot all goes according to plan, and the dynamite doesn't get wet - the contraption will accelerate to a top speed of 500 mph (800 km/h) and travel about 1 mile (1 . 6 kilometers) away from the launch site, which is the old ghost town called Amboy, (in the high desert of Southern California - natch! Right?) . According to some of the same plans, Hughes will make a parachute-aided touchdown . Hughes buys into the flat-Earth conspiracy theory, according to the AP; indeed, the rocket's chief sponsor is a group called Research Flat Earth . Saturday's liftoff won't get Hughes nearly high enough to gather any photographic evidence about our planet's shape — which is an oblate spheroid (see formulas below), by the way — but such a mission may be in Mad Mike's future . He and a collaborator have discussed building a "rockoon" — a rocket that launches after being carried aloft by a balloon — that could get up to an altitude of 68 miles (109 km), the AP reported . Hughes' refusal to accept the truth about Earth's shape might make you skeptical about Saturday's launch, and about the future rockoon project . If so, his own words probably won't do much to bring you around . "I don’t believe in science," Hughes said, (whilst standing on a gravity-laden ball-shaped object swirling through the solar system and ungodly velocities) according to the AP . "I know about aerodynamics (an allusion, he says to what a sane person would actually understand) and the physical happenstances of fluid dynamics and how things move through the air, about the certain size of rocket nozzles, and thrust . But that’s not science, that’s just a formula . There’s no difference between science and science fiction . " Hughes, is also a self-educated expert on the Triad Of Science: Earth Wind & Fire and Grand PooBah of The Trivalent Enthusiasts' Club of SoCal . , Chapters 13g and 22a . The entire story is definitely worth your time . You can read it here . No - you SHOULD read it . Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ( . com/9d8e5e8e9245412ab80f5a1f58d885b7/Self-taught-rocket-scientist-plans-to-launch-over-ghost-town" target="_blank">apnews . com) [ see this ] ( . wolfram . com/images/eps-gif/OblateSpheroid_700 . gif" target="_blank">mathworld . wolfram . com) __________________________________________________ ____________ For those who want proof of the existence of an oblate spheroid . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I offer this following & simple explanation: A "squashed" spheroid for which the equatorial radius a is greater than the polar radius c, so a>c (called an oblate ellipsoid by Tietze 1965, p . 27) . An oblate spheroid is a surface of revolution obtained by rotating an ellipse about its minor axis (Hilbert and Cohn-Vossen 1999, p . 10) . To first approximation, the shape assumed by a rotating fluid (including the Earth, which is "fluid" over astronomical time scales) is an oblate spheroid . For a spheroid with z-axis as the symmetry axis, the Cartesian equation is (x^2+y^2)/(a^2)+(z^2)/(c^2)=1 . The ellipticity of an oblate spheroid is defined by e=sqrt(1-(c^2)/(a^2)) . The surface area of an oblate spheroid can be computed as a surface of revolution about the z-axis, S=2piintr(z)sqrt(1+[r^'(z)]^2)dz with radius as a function of z given by r(z)=asqrt(1-(z/c)^2) . Therefore S = 2piaint_(-c)^csqrt(1+((a-c)(a+c)z^2)/(c^4))dz = 2pia[a+(c^2csch^(-1)(c/(sqrt(a^2-c^2))))/(sqrt(a^2-c^2))] = (2pi)/(sqrt(a^2-c^2))[a^2sqrt(a^2-c^2)+ac^2ln((a+sqrt(a^2-c^2))/c)] = pi/(sqrt(a^2-c^2))[2a^2sqrt(a^2-c^2)+ac^2ln((a+sqrt(a^2-c^2))/(a-sqrt(a^2-c^2)))], where the last step makes use of the logarithm identity log((a+sqrt(a^2-c^2))/c)=1/2log((a+sqrt(a^2-c^2))/(a-sqrt(a^2-c^2))) valid for 0<c<a . Re-expressing in terms of the ellipticity then gives sqrt(a^2-c^2)=ae, yielding the particular simple form S=2pia^2+pi(c^2)/eln((1+e)/(1-e)) (Beyer 1987, p . 131) . Another equivalent form is given by S=2pia^2-(2piiac^2)/(sqrt(a^2-c^2))cos^(-1)(a/c) . The surface area can also be computed directly from the coefficients of the first fundamental form as S = int_0^(2pi)int_0^pisqrt(EG-F^2)dvdu = (2pia)/(sqrt(2))int_0^pisqrt(a^2+c^2+(a^2-c^2)cos(2v))sinv . Note that this is the conventional form in which the surface area of an oblate spheroid is written, although it is formally equivalent to the conventional form for the prolate spheroid via the identity (c^2pi)/(e(c,a))ln[(1+e(c,a))/(1-e(c,a))]=(2piac)/(e(a,c))sin^(-1)[e(a,c)], where e(x,y) is defined by e(x,y)=sqrt(1-(x^2)/(y^2)) . Further reading here: "The 10 Biggest Conspiracy Theories" ( . livescience . com/strangenews/top10-conspiracy-theories . html?_ga=2 . 231668886 . 863667469 . 1511582019-1040004563 . 1511582012" target="_blank">www . livescience . com) :devil . |
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| 1442569 | 2017-11-25 05:07:00 | Logic alone can tell us that the earth is not flat. The ancient Greeks knew it to be so. 'The ancient Greeks figured it out 2,500 years ago without having to fly into space and take a snapshot. How hard can it be? Pythagoras in 500 B.C. provides the earliest arguments for why the Earth is round. The moon, he noted, was a sphere, so it would follow that the Earth is round as well. A century and a half later, Aristotle put forward what was likely the physical evidence that the Earth is round, according to the American Physical Society. He noted that ships sailing over the horizon disappear hull first. He also observed that the Earth casts a round shadow on the moon during an eclipse. The stars also change position at different latitudes, which also points to a spherical planet.' From: www.discovery.com As for travel in a home-made steam powered rocket? To paraphrase Kipling You are a braver man than I am, Gunga Din. |
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| 1442570 | 2017-11-25 05:09:00 | What a waste, you could buy a lot of whiskey for $20,000 | Driftwood (5551) | ||
| 1442571 | 2017-11-25 08:19:00 | If he does get off the ground in his rocket he is probably going to end up flat himself. | CliveM (6007) | ||
| 1442572 | 2017-11-25 08:35:00 | To be fair, he only discovered flat-earthism when it became apparent that they would sponsor his hobby. | fred_fish (15241) | ||
| 1442573 | 2017-11-25 19:17:00 | It was since cancelled. Also he had a few goes with this and just recently choose the flat earthers. Reading between the lines I suspect he decided to agree with them to get the funding......I mean if he manages to launch, he can then say, oh gee, look guys, we were wrong...and he still will have done what he wanted. | pctek (84) | ||
| 1442574 | 2017-11-26 08:21:00 | Its obvious the earth is not flat, if it was flat the cats would have pushed everything over the edge by now. | tutaenui (1724) | ||
| 1442575 | 2017-11-26 19:26:00 | LOL!!! Saw that comment somewhere before......ah but (as the flat-earthers say) there's the ice walls at the edges..... Funny there aren't any pics of those though, with a bunch of stuff pushed up against them. Biggest rubbish pile on the planet wouldn't it be? |
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| 1442576 | 2017-11-26 21:43:00 | 'Mad' Mike Hughes cancels rocket launch to prove Earth is flat USA Today NetworkSherry Barkas, The (Palm Springs, Calif . ) Desert Sun Published 2:09 p . m . ET Nov . 25, 2017 8447 (Photo: Waldo Stakes/AP) A man who believes Earth is flat, and was ready to launch himself from a rocket in California on Saturday afternoon to prove it, has canceled his plans . At least for now . ( . sn/2zoPnNW" target="_blank">desert . sn) Not having the required federal permits plus mechanical problems with his "motorhome/rocket launcher" forced self-taught rocket scientist "Mad" Mike Hughes to put his experiment on hold . The U . S . Bureau of Land Management (BLM) "told me they would not allow me to do the event . . . at least not at that location," Hughes said in a YouTube announcement, amid international attention over his plans to launch into the 'atmosflat . ' "It's been very disappointing," he said . . 8448 In this Wednesday, Nov . 15, 2017 photograph, the homemade, steam-powered rocket built by daredevil/limosuine drive Mad Mike Hughes is shown on the property the man leases in Apple Valley, Cal . Hughes plans to launch the rocket Saturday over the ghost town of Amboy, Ca . , at a speed of roughly 500 miles-per-hour . (Mad Mike Hughes via AP) (Photo: Mad Mike Hughes/AP) Hughes is a 61-year-old limo driver who has spent the last few years building a steam-powered rocket out of salvage parts in his garage . His project has cost him $20,000, which includes Rust-Oleum paint to fancy it up and a motor home he bought on Craigslist that he converted into a ramp . Hughes was set to launch his rocket between 2 and 3 p . m . on Saturday . Read more: 'I don’t believe in science any more . ' Man who thinks Earth is flat plans to launch self on a rocket ( . usatoday . com/story/tech/nation-now/2017/11/22/self-taught-rocket-scientist-plans-launch-over-california-ghost-town/888059001/" target="_blank">www . usatoday . com) Plans had been in the works for more than a year and Hughes said he was initially told by BLM "that it was up to the (Federal Aviation Administration)" to approve the launch . The FAA, Hughes said, told him "We can't honestly approve it, we just know that you are going to do it there . " News of his plans began to spread Monday and gained worldwide attention, which Hughes believes is why BLM began to push for permits . "My feeling is that one of the top executives at the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) called Needles, California, saying . . . 'What's going on? Who permitted this?'" Hughes said . Plus, as he and his team were preparing to leave Wednesday, the motorhome/rocket launcher broke down in his driveway, he said . "We want everyone to please stay tuned," Hughes said, adding he has set up a YouTube page where he will post updates . His plan is to try again next week . The Associated Press contributed to this article but denies any responsibility for it's accuracy and potential litigious actions from actual scientists, astronauts or anyone who accidentally fell out of a tree on their heads . 8449 |
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| 1442577 | 2017-11-26 22:19:00 | . . . . and the hits go on . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cavaliers All-Star Kyrie Irving legitimately believes the Earth is flat ( . desertsun . com/video/embed/98098024?sitelabel=reimagine&platform=desktop&continuousplay=true&placement=uw-smallarticleattophtml5&pagetype=story" target="_blank">uw-media . desertsun . com) AJ Neuharth-Keusch, USA TODAY Sports Published 7:54 a . m . PT Feb . 18, 2017 | Updated 1:43 p . m . PT Feb . 18, 2017 Kyrie Irving got into a heated argument with a reporter during All-Star media availability over his recent comments that the Earth is flat . USA TODAY Sports; USP NBA: ALL STAR PRESS CONFERENCE S BKN USA LA While appearing as a guest host on a recent podcast with teammates Richard Jefferson and Channing Frye — Road Trippin' with RJ & Channing — Cleveland Cavaliers All-Star point guard Kyrie Irving made it very clear that he believes the Earth is, in fact, flat . "This is not even a conspiracy . The Earth is flat . The Earth is flat . The Earth is flat," Irving said adamantly . "All these things that particular groups, I won't even pinpoint one group, that they almost offer up this education . The fact that, in our lifetimes, that there are so many holes and so many pockets in our history . . . . I'm telling you, it's right in front of our faces . They lie to us . . . ", not explaining who 'they' are . . "For what I've known for as many years and what I've come to believe, what I've been taught, is that the Earth is round," Irving continued . "But if you really think about it from a landscape of the way we travel, the way we move, and the fact that — can you really think of us rotating around the sun and all planets aligned, rotating in specific dates, being perpendicular with what's going on with these planets?" According to Jefferson, Irving put the word "planets" in air quotations . "I'm gonna put planets (in air quotations) because everything that they send, or they want to say that they're sending, doesn't come back . . . . There is no concrete information except for the information that they're giving us . They're particularly putting you in a direction of what to believe and what not to believe . The truth is right there, you've just got to go searching for it . " "Basketball courts are flat, so I am exonerated" said Tyler . (this doesn't explain round basketballs though!) . |
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