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Thread ID: 89747	2008-05-10 10:17:00	Would you buy a gas heater ?	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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668107	2008-05-10 22:01:00	We had one also when we lived in Wellington and got rid of it. We did not find it cheap to run and normally when the gas bottle ran out it was raining and cold so you have to go find a garage open to fill it. It smelled bad and as we did not have a dehumidifyer we had to have a window open near it which sort of defeated the purpose of heating to some extent. We now have Gas in this house from the street and have had a Rinnai Gas wall heater installed which vents outside. Admittedly more expensive in the first instance but it heats much better than the Gas Bottle Heater, no need for open windows and no smells. The best thing we have ever invested in.	Bantu (52)
668108	2008-05-10 23:03:00	Hi Bantu, which model of Rinnai did you get? Brick or wood wall outside house? cheers BobM.	BobM (1138)
668109	2008-05-11 08:26:00	I had one once. Sold it. Wouldn't have another. They smell, they produce masses of condensation - and why should you have to have a dehumidfier? That kind of cancels out any savings you supposedly make by not using an electric heater. They stink, thats my biggest problem with them - our whole family has this problem but I guess certain people must be more sensitive to it than others since most people I meet don't have an issue at all with them. I can't be in a room with one for more than an hour without feeling like I got a 'KO' style headache. The prices to refill have risen in only ~3 months by $7 (or thats what I think I heard my mum say). If that is true, that is quite significant. As Pctek says, having to run the dehumidifier to offset the extra condensation pretty much kills whatever savings you have made - running dehumidifier more means replacing filter more often + more electricity charges + more noise.	Deathwish (143)
668110	2008-05-11 12:13:00	Hi Guys With winter coming up and because I have a large lounge in a rented house I am thinking of buying a gas heater. But the thought of a gas cylinder inside my house has always worried me. What do you think ? Condensation, and the toxic gases in the LPG are what I would be concerned about. Renting is hard, in that you can't install your own heater into the building. If you owned the property, I would recommend a heatpump, and or a pellet heater. ELse you could ask you the owner to install a decent heater, especially if it isn't insulated. They do have to meet certain standards, so the house must be comfortable to live in. If I was renting, I would probably use small spot electric radient heaters in the areas that I was using.	robbyp (2751)
668111	2008-05-11 12:47:00	Hi Guys With winter coming up and because I have a large lounge in a rented house I am thinking of buying a gas heater. But the thought of a gas cylinder inside my house has always worried me. What do you think ? Digby, Do you make decisons on a daily basis according to what PressF1 members think? It is not that all PressF1 members have no clues as quite a few do have. Should it be time for me to do a daily poll on whether I should get out of bed and go to work the next day? If you are worried about a gas cylinder then I would suggest you simply do not have one in your rented place. I have two gas cylinders. One for a BBQ and the other for a gas heater. One is in the house and the other is in my garage. If I make the wrong choice then this will be my choice. Whatever decision I make I will live or possibly die. I am going to die some time but at this time I do not know when. Not that this worries me a lot. I will die but I could be electrocuted due to misadveture by trying to take a PSU apart. I may die due to some dopey driver on the road.	Sweep (90)
668112	2008-05-11 17:28:00	I know that youse guys get a little tired of how it is in the US . . . but we have distinct laws concerning propane tanks, residences and heating with them . It is illegal to bring a propane cylinder larger than 1 qt . . approx 1 liter . . . into a building that has humans in it . Period . I know also that the US law is a little strong by NZ standards . . . . but there are always stupid people in places where one would not expect them . Besides the carbon monoxide problem . . which the heaters make in copious amounts, there's the fire danger of tipping one over and then liquid propane swamps the regulator . . and some cannot handle the liquid part and they throw flames and fire out at nearby furnishings . . . curtains, drapes, bedding, furniture . . etc . If you lose a domicile from the use of an "outdoor-only" rated device that you bring inside for whatever logical (to you) reason, you may not have insurance protection for your act and have to suffer the loss your self . However . . to digress . . and you KNEW that I would finally digress . . huh! . . . . . . . . . . . . the ongoing theme here that I see pretty much constantly is this: INSULATION . . . or lack of it in NZ homes . It seems to cause quite a bit of comment on what type of heating is best . . when the reality is "why isn't my home able to hold heat/cold?" "Twin-dows" and triple-paned glass are the norm here, as well as R-18 minimum on all outside walls . This has been in effect for all new builds since about the late 1960's or so . . and now they are even strict about it all for remodels and retrofits . My mobile . . if memory serves at all . . is R-22 walls, R-30 roof, R-18 floor . Air pressure tests indicate that I have less than 1% leakage . . and that is exceptionally good! Most home qualify at 5-6% leakage . The energy companies (again, US) provide these tests free to homes once a year . I have triple-paned windows and solid 36" foam between the ceiling and roof . My home is typical even though it is a mobile home . Stick-builds are the same with the exception of the floor which can drop to about R-6 or R-8 . For what it's worth . . . I just bet youse guys could make a lot of inroads into insulation . . . . maybe some of yez could open a FOAM-INJECTION service to homes/homeowners . I bet it would catch on pretty good! Ibetchem! :thumbs:	SurferJoe46 (51)
668113	2008-05-11 19:17:00	Hi Bantu, which model of Rinnai did you get? Brick or wood wall outside house? cheers BobM. Rinnai EnergySaver 557FTR (maybe 5-6 years ago) Brick outside. They installed it very tidy job indeed. Cut a neat hole in the brick and through the wall and it has a vent to the outside. We had the same in one house in Wellington.	Bantu (52)
668114	2008-05-11 21:06:00	When the difference between the inside and outside temperature seldom exceeds 10 degrees, insulation is not going to be very cost effective. It is more efficient to put the people in a climate suited to people, and save the extreme temperature zones for sheep which have their own arrangements for temperature adaptability.	R2x1 (4628)
668115	2008-05-11 22:19:00	A lot of if not most countries ban these unflued heaters, some allow them but only in a room with a minimum cubic content the total I am not sure of. They are not good for ones health especially if asthma runs in the family.	Arnie (6624)
668116	2008-05-11 23:19:00	When the difference between the inside and outside temperature seldom exceeds 10 degrees, insulation is not going to be very cost effective. It is more efficient to put the people in a climate suited to people, and save the extreme temperature zones for sheep which have their own arrangements for temperature adaptability. Would you so kindly start up a collection for the "Move Joe & Family To Hawaii Relocation Program" then? Use some really BIG containers and put them in all the markets and stores with a picture of me and my family on a little poster...saying: "They need to be warm again" and only collect paper money or coins of whatever higher denominations youse guys have.	SurferJoe46 (51)
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