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Thread ID: 89948	2008-05-17 09:51:00	How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power	zqwerty (97)	PC World Chat

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670211	2008-05-17 09:51:00	I suspect that this is quite well known but thought that some here might be interested to see the level of corruption some are capable of and how things have not improved with time, each generation seems to make the same mistakes and not learn from history: www.guardian.co.uk	zqwerty (97)
670212	2008-05-17 10:37:00	These guys have got some serious problems: Bush: God told me to invade Iraq: www.independent.co.uk	zqwerty (97)
670213	2008-05-17 12:40:00	Invade Iraq to bring peace to the middle east? This guy needs a good sit down, and an explanation of terms. War = Not Peace... But we all knew that, so I'm just preaching to the converted (I hope) [addition] And I like how they call them al Qa'ida terrorists unstead of "members of al qaeda" which is an organisation that doesn't, and never has, existed	Thebananamonkey (7741)
670214	2008-05-17 12:41:00	Hey, he had to give up golf because of the war!!! Have some respect for the man. Seriously, he's bonkers.	beeswax34 (63)
670215	2008-05-18 05:29:00	I note that the article was dated 2004. Pity it wasn't publicised more at that time. The US might have had a different president.	theother1 (3573)
670216	2008-05-18 09:51:00	I note that the article was dated 2004. Pity it wasn't publicised more at that time. The US might have had a different president. Of course it wasn't picked up by the media and made more of an issue. I just find it funny how in general nowadays the American people hate Bush, however 5 years ago The Dixie Chicks were abhorred by the same America for a light hearted dig at Bush. Who was it that said there's nothing better for an economy than war? I watched a clip of Donahue (www.youtube.com) (yes, THAT Donahue) speaking to O'Reilly (watch.ableapp.com) in 2006, and mentioning that since the US has been in Iraq, the stock of Halliburton (finance.yahoo.com =volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;l ogscale=on;source=undefined)that year had doubled. Without a doubt, occupying Iraq has a lot to do with oil and there has been some very decent war profiteering going on.	sal (67)
670217	2008-05-21 22:23:00	This is well known, and tip of the iceburge stuff. Sadam was heavily backed by the US in the 80's, arms and funding, why? (Oil) Al-Qaeda Was heavily funded and trained by the US government through the CIA in the Late 70's to carry out the same type of terrorist activity's against the Russians. These and the thread topic are not secrets, but no one seems to care, just carry on living in there own little righteous dreamworld.	Battleneter2 (9361)
670218	2008-05-22 02:58:00	I told youse guys about the Carlisle Company ( . wikipedia . org/wiki/Carlisle_%28manufacturer%29" target="_blank">en . wikipedia . org) pre-war corporate ties to Hitler and the beginnings of the energy Czars before WW-II broke out . . . . . I guess it all fell on deaf ears . Maybe it was a tad long . . but this time I have made it a lot easier to read . . . . . onward in context: It's all tied in to Interessen-Gemeinschaft Farbenindustrie AG (Germany), [see: FOOTNOTE #1] who now, in global consolidation, own almost all the energy sources in the world . It was established well before Hitler . . and provided his Reich #3 with the technology for converting coal into oil and fuel . It was so much established that many . . . many US B-17 bombing runs were only made on the outskirted factories providing coal and coal dust to the main, <but never bombed> plant and corporate headquarters . During the pre WW-II planning of the German invasion of Czechoslovakia and Poland, IG Farben cooperated closely with Nazi (Brown Shirts) officials and directed which chemical plants should be secured and delivered to IG Farben . In 1941, an investigation exposed a "marriage" cartel between United States-based Standard Oil Co . and I . G . Farben . (and just who now sits on the BoD at Standard Oil? Who?) . Guess who was making future presidents and movers and shakers at that time period? Guess who was already born and being schooled in world-wide domination via energy supply/demands? Can you say "Kennedy", "Johnson", "Bush"? The political affiliation does not matter . . they are all Starchamber seat-holders on the Trilateral Commission . This cartel consisted (and STILL consists) of many social-economic-spiritual organizations that also had given credence and blessing or protections to the Nazi Supremacy Ideology; even the Pope (the self-proclaimed "Vicar of Christ") ( . wikipedia . org/wiki/Reichskonkordat" target="_blank">en . wikipedia . org) held a special mass to denounce the rest of the world's attempts to quell the Brown Shirts, and Hitler was named as the Saviour of The New World and given special simonous privileges . <The medieval practice of buying and selling church positions and titles> . The Papacy later changed it's mind and gave the same accolade to the NATO Pact and later the United Nations . SUBPLOT: The Standard Oil Trust was controlled by a small group of families . Rockefeller stated in 1910: "I think it is true that the Pratt family, the Payne-Whitney family (which were one, as all the stock came from Colonel Payne), the Harkness-Flagler family (which came into the Company together) and the Rockefeller family controlled a majority of the stock during all the history of the Company up to the present time" . These families reinvested most of the dividends in other industries, especially railroads . They also invested heavily in the gas and the electric lighting business (including the giant Consolidated Gas Company of New York City) . They made large purchases of stock in US Steel, Amalgamated Copper, and even Corn Products Refining Company[ Hmmmm?!?! Again, look to the "diversified" activities on Carlisle . ] It also brought new evidence concerning complex price and marketing agreements between DuPont, a major investor in and producer of leaded gasoline, U . S . Industrial Alcohol Co . and their subsidiary, Cuba Distilling Co . [Watch for this name to come up again on the world-energy scene] . The investigation was eventually dropped, like dozens of others in many different kinds of industries, due to the need to enlist industry support in the war effort . However, the top directors of many oil companies agreed to resign and oil industry stocks in molasses companies were sold off as part of a compromise worked out . IG Farben built a factory (named Buna Chemical Plant) for producing synthetic oil and rubber (from coal) in Auschwitz, which was the beginning of SS activity and camps in this location during the Holocaust . At its peak in 1944, this factory made use of 83,000 slave laborers . ANOTHER SUBPLOT: " . . . . . . . . . . . . . . according to documents found at Auschwitz, the DuPont chemical manufacturer clearly made and delivered Zyklon B and that, along with two German firms, Tesch/Stabenow and Degesch, they produced Zyklon B gas after they acquired the patent from IG Farben . Auschwitz's own website, however, has only this to say on the subject of Zyklon-B production: "The Zyklon used at Auschwitz concentration camp was produced by a firm called Degesch (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Schädlingsbekämpfung mbH), with headquarters in Frankfurt am Main and forming a part of IG Farbenindustrie . " ( . auschwitz . org . pl/html/eng . . . klon_b_ok . html" target="_blank">www . auschwitz . org . pl) Used in Germany during the war and before as a pesticidal fumigant, there seems to be no reason why the Nazis would have found it necessary to obtain the chemical from the U . S . , even if a plausible explanation could be found for their having been able to do so after their declaration of war against the same nation . Finally, given the camp's location and in whose territory it lay throughout the Cold War, one can imagine that much would have been made of such "evidence" of complicity by an American firm in the Holocaust . <In other words, it was cleaned up and never made the press or the publics' eye . > The pesticide Zyklon B, for which IG Farben held the patent, was manufactured by Degesch (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Schädlingsbekämpfung), which IG Farben had 42 . 2 percent (in shares) of and which had IG managers in its Managing Committee . Of the 24 directors of IG Farben indicted in the so-called IG Farben Trial (1947-1948) before a U . S . military tribunal at the subsequent Nuremberg Trials, 13 were sentenced to prison terms between one and eight years . Some of those indicted in the trial were subsequently made leaders of the post-war companies that split off from IG Farben, including those who were sentenced at Nuremberg . Now . . . . . on to the The Carlisle Corporation, a mega-large-o world unto itself is owned by shareholders who . . . get this . . . have at the top of the list GB and Starchamber sheet sharers (again) . They manufacture and purvey war equipment and tooling for energy manipulation . If you think it's all Halliburton here . . . it ain't . . . and it's not the only corporate holding of the "Family" . History of acquisitions blah . . . blah . . . blah . . . I've left the list off this post for now . . . . it was very long and detailed . . . Joint venture and equity investments history blah . . blah again . . . I've left this out too to make this post shorter . . . . Like I said . . . this (Halliburton ne et al: Carlisle LLC) is only one of the newer primary LLCs that produces and sells military war equipment for Activities-US-Military . Guess who sits on the board of directors? Guess who is raking in profits from the war . . . every Hummer that gets destroyed (you destroy 'em, we build new ones!), ammunition (milk and dairy products - research it for yourselves), coal-to-oil technology that is somehow "not efficient yet" and held in the wings for when the oil is depleted or the world gets tired of paying rapist fees for it . Does that remind you of the R-12 / R-134a DuPont freon scare and the Helsinki Agreement? Try this one on: IF the world gets really tired of liquefied dinosaurs for fuel . . . or the prices gets too high . . or only certain countries get to buy it . . . then the doors will fly open and "We've discovered a brand-new way to refine coal into oil" will happen . The Arabs are very nervous . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . social and other demographic assessments show that there is a lot of tribal infighting and warring going on as to how to handle the new dereliction that bodes so heavily on them when their bubble bursts . They too are trying to diversify their energy monopoly and get into the new energy source . . . and the political/economic resistance is manifest . These are fostering wars and insurrections in the "New" South American sites to get juntas and political overthrows of what GB and the rest of the Trilateral Commission are setting up . This point is critical: The largest and most productive year for oil production was 2005 [Footnote #2] . Since that time, the world has seen unrest like never before . Natch! Since the oil is limited, time is primary for the energy czars . 1) Oil field depletion is very real and known by higher-up people, Arabs and everyone else with corporate and/or energy/fuel eyes . 2) A "new" energy form must be found . . . on the coattails of "green-thinking" and ecology-tree-huggers and global warming scares that will look like the government and the industries are looking out for the Earth . . hahahah . . 3) Science, chemistry and a new validation for man's greater good will arise in the form of technology that absolutely forbids individuality and free-thinking by the huddled masses . 4) Wars are conveniently used to mask the total takeover of the energy sources that right now don't look too promising . . coal is DIRTY . . . right? Not when it's all you can get it isn't! 5) So-called "christian nations" (1/3rd of the world) will have won against the Muslims (1/3rd of the world) in a War Of Energy Attrition, leaving the other 1/3rd of the world in the dark . So . . . that's why there's new funded and social awareness of this "Global Warming" tied to "Energy Cost and Depletion" scaremongering . . . it's all just a vicious plot and if you fall for it, you will not see the man behind the curtain . The Arabs are running, paled by the reality, forcing prices as high as they can to get their gold, sheikdoms, palaces and island nations and such . If they push too hard, they'll lose their house of cards sooner, rather than later . FOOTNOTES #1: Zyklon B: Hydrogen cyanide HCN, prussic acid, is a chemical compound in the form of a powerfully poisonous, volatile colorless liquid with the odor of bitter almonds . Prussic acid is considered a battlefield poison agent . . . . . (it:ibid) . . . . was used in Germany before and during the Second World War for disinfection and pest extermination in ships, buildings and machinery . In the Auschwitz concentration camp as well, it was used exclusively for sanitation and pest control until the summer of 1941 . After the end of August 1941, Zyklon was used in the camp, first experimentally and then routinely, as an agent of mass annihilation . Zyklon B consisted of diatomite, in the form of granules the size of fine peas, saturated with prussic acid . In view of its volatility and the associated risk of accidental poisoning, it was supplied to the camp in sealed metal canisters . The Zyklon used at Auschwitz concentration camp was produced by a firm called Degesch (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Schädlingsbekämpfung mbH), with headquarters in Frankfurt am Main and forming a part of IG Farbenindustrie . #2: T . Boone Pickens has begun speaking out on the issue of peak oil, claiming that world oil production is about to enter a period of irrevocable decline . He has called for the construction of more nuclear power plants, the use of natural gas to power the country's transportation systems, and the promotion of alternative energy . Pickens' involvement with the natural gas fueling campaign is long-running . He formed Pickens Fuel Corp . in 1997 and began touting natural gas as the best vehicular fuel alternative because it's a domestic resource that, among many advantages, is clean (Natural Gas Vehicles or NGVs emit up to 95% less pollution than gasoline or diesel vehicles) and reduces foreign oil consumption . Reincorporated as Clean Energy in 2001, the company now owns and operates natural gas fueling stations from British Columbia to the Mexican border . On September 19, 2007, Pickens told CNBC that the price of oil could rise to $100 . "Demand is up and supply is flat, so it's got to go on up," said Pickens, whose company is betting on natural gas for vehicles . "I can give you an Oklahoma guarantee that natural gas will never sell above diesel and gasoline prices" as fuel for vehicles Pickens added . He is absolutely right . . . so far . It's a god thing I shortened this by so much . . . it reads like a matchbook cover now .	SurferJoe46 (51)
670219	2008-05-22 03:50:00	SurferJoe46 can you give us a quick Synopsis of what you are trying to say?. That last part refers to Peak Oil, Pickens has predicted far worse to come (well now its becoming obvious what is happening), and oh **** to late, we needed to reduce consumption 5 years ago.	Battleneter2 (9361)
670220	2008-05-22 05:22:00	SurferJoe46 can you give us a quick Synopsis of what you are trying to say?. That last part refers to Peak Oil, Pickens has predicted far worse to come (well now its becoming obvious what is happening), and oh **** to late, we needed to reduce consumption 5 years ago. That last part would happen whether we slowed-stopped- or continued as we did or not. It was pre-ordained by the BIG THREE to happen anyway.	SurferJoe46 (51)
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