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Thread ID: 89879	2008-05-14 23:41:00	Hitler or Hindu Row	Roscoe (6288)	PC World Chat

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669511	2008-05-14 23:41:00	Have you seen this article in the Auckland papers? www.stuff.co.nz Surely New Zealand is a free country where you are able to say what you like about anything you like, including religion? I was aware of the religious significance because my father told me of a building in Lambton Quay that had swastika’s inlaid on the tiles in the floor of the entrance. When WWII started, the authorities told them to remove or cover up the ‘offending’ floor covering, but I understand that the owners (Hindu, I suppose) refused saying that it was an ancient symbol of their faith and that they had had it on the floor years before Hitler came into power. I wonder if anyone knows what the building was and whereabouts in Lambton Quay? I don’t suppose it still exists as they tore down most of the old buildings in downtown Wellington as they were deemed earthquake hazards. It seems that this type of publicity is good for the Hindus which will hopefully educate people, who still hate the Nazis (and the Germans,) as to the true significance of the symbol and will allow Hindus to practice their religion, which should include the unrestricted use of religious symbols. The swastika (from Sanskrit svástika स्वस्तिक ) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles in either right-facing form or its mirrored left-facing form. The swastika can also be drawn as a traditional swastika, but with a second 90° bend in each arm. Archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates from the Neolithic period. An ancient symbol, it occurs mainly in the cultures that are in modern day India and the surrounding area, sometimes as a geometrical motif and sometimes as a religious symbol. It has long been widely used in major world religions such as Hinduism Buddhism and Jainism. The swastika was used as a Nazi symbol and gained further association with the Third Reich as the Reich gained influence. Though once commonly used all over much of the world without stigma, because of its association with Nazism, the symbol has become controversial, especially in the Western world. Thanks to Wikipedia. Have a look at Wikipedia to see the original swastika.	Roscoe (6288)
669512	2008-05-15 00:00:00	Roscoe The swastika was used in a lot of Christian Motifs too, In Christchurch cathedral Mosaics (www.pbase.com) they are used There are more of the images on that page just click next or back (as that is the second to last image in the Christchurch section)	Morgenmuffel (187)
669513	2008-05-15 00:13:00	And Buddhist too. Also, Lindbergs "spirit of saint louis" had a swastika painted inside it for good luck. Its use was fairly widespread before WW2. Interestingly, the nazi salute was suggested originally to be used in the states whilst reciting the pledge of allegiance. It was incredibly american. I think outside of Buddhist or Hindu religous purposes it should not be used though. It has connotations of pain, no matter how you try and justify its use.	Thebananamonkey (7741)
669514	2008-05-15 00:53:00	Roscoe The swastika was used in a lot of Christian Motifs too. There are more of the images on that page just click next or back (as that is the second to last image in the Christchurch section) Thanks for that. I am surprised. Of that I was unaware. I assume that these same people will want that removed as well! Thebananamonkey: The "Spirit of St Louis" is revered in America, is it not? And yet no-one noticed? Or tried to have it removed? The Americans were very anti-German in WWII and on their way to Berlin destroyed everything in their path, yet they used a type of Nazi salute? These Americans are a strange breed. While it does have nasty connotations, I think if it is drawn more in the way of the symbol shown in Wikipedia, it should be nearly acceptable? It certainly is different. Perhaps the depiction on the roof was not different enough.	Roscoe (6288)
669515	2008-05-15 01:50:00	The Americans were very anti-German in WWII and on their way to Berlin destroyed everything in their path, yet they used a type of Nazi salute? These Americans are a strange breed. At the risk of offending a few Americans out there, there were a number of Pro-Nazi Germany Amercans(Joseph Kennedy), prior to Pearl Harbour, Although people like Roosevelt did everything they could within the confines of neutrality to help the UK.	Morgenmuffel (187)
669516	2008-05-15 02:01:00	The Hindus used the symbol long before Hitler stole it, besides their version is different anyway. As long as people understand the difference they should have no problem with it. I certainly don't.	Agent_24 (57)
669517	2008-05-15 02:18:00	The Americans were very anti-German in WWII and on their way to Berlin destroyed everything in their path, yet they used a type of Nazi salute? These Americans are a strange breed . Everything that wasn't owned by an American Company or subsidiary . "And indeed, while Cologne's historical city centre was flattened in repeated bombing raids, the large Ford factory on the outskirts of the city enjoyed the reputation of being the safest place in town during air attacks, although some bombs did of course occasionally fall on its properties . "	PaulD (232)
669518	2008-05-15 02:47:00	The Hindus used the symbol long before Hitler stole it, besides their version is different anyway. As long as people understand the difference they should have no problem with it. I certainly don't. Totally agree. Pity a few more of the people who fought in WWII against the Nazis thought that as well. Unfortunately so many of them have loooong memories and can't find it in their hearts to forgive.:(	Roscoe (6288)
669519	2008-05-15 03:43:00	Thanks for that . I am surprised . Of that I was unaware . I assume that these same people will want that removed as well! Thebananamonkey: The "Spirit of St Louis" is revered in America, is it not? And yet no-one noticed? Or tried to have it removed? The Americans were very anti-German in WWII and on their way to Berlin destroyed everything in their path, yet they used a type of Nazi salute? These Americans are a strange breed . While it does have nasty connotations, I think if it is drawn more in the way of the symbol shown in Wikipedia, it should be nearly acceptable? It certainly is different . Perhaps the depiction on the roof was not different enough . It wasn't a nazi salute though . It was an american one long before the nazis existed . The spirit of saint louis hangs fairly high, and the swastika is inside, so you can't actually see it . People accused Lindberg of being a nazi himself, but he was just an anti-semite eugenicist who liked the nazi/american salute, and knew most of the high command of the german army . . . You can see why they pegged him as one, but he was a patriot, and despised the idea of genocide . Anti-Semitic Eugenicists existed all over the place before WW2, it's just that they had the good sense to cover it all up after/during the war . Also, why would you remove it? It's a part of history . It was a common symbol of good luck for aviators then, and he needed all the luck he could get	Thebananamonkey (7741)
669520	2008-05-15 04:08:00	Charles Lindbergh flew 50 combat mission in the Pacific in WW2 and made a big contribution to the Pacific air war. This is not very well known and how it came about is detailed at this link www.ww2pacific.com	Safari (3993)
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