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Thread ID: 89849	2008-05-14 02:49:00	A Little Excitement In My Neighborhood Last Night..,....	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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669250	2008-05-14 02:49:00	Riverside County sheriff's deputies shot and killed two people Monday evening after a running gun battle in which a male and a female suspect both opened fire on casino guards outside the entrance to a San Jacinto Indian reservation and then shot at a sheriff's helicopter and SWAT team members . The incident began about 6:20 p . m . when security guards for the Soboba Indian reservation reported to sheriff's dispatchers that they were taking fire . They also said that a guard had been wounded . Riverside County Sheriff's Sgt . Dennis Gutierrez said investigators later determined that the guards were unhurt . But they said their deputies were fired upon repeatedly by the suspects during an hourlong pursuit and gun battle east of the Soboba Casino . The gunfight included at least nine shots that the suspects fired at a sheriff's helicopter . Deputies exchanged gunfire with the suspects as did SWAT team members, Gutierrez said . The suspects were later pronounced dead . OK . . . so that's what happened last evening . . . but this AM when I was going up to Idyllwild above the Hemet/San Jacinto Valley . . . at about the 2,000 feet altitude level I saw a landed helicopter, a coroner's van, a couple of CHPs and an unmarked car alongside the road to my left . . . and the coroner had a body in the tall weeds that he was removing from the scene . I don't know if it was just a murdered body drop-off or part of the shoot-out from last night . . . but it sure had a lot of police activity . The two suspects in the shoot-out were armed with AK-47s, some . 45 cal semi-autos and neither were legal residents of the US . The vehicle they were driving was stolen and they found other weapons that weren't used, still in new boxes and rifles and gun cases with boxes of matching ammunition inside the vehicle . We have fun here in SoCal . :punk	SurferJoe46 (51)
669251	2008-05-14 02:52:00	Yay, shoot'em down!	SolMiester (139)
669252	2008-05-14 03:06:00	Wow! Where's Gene and Roy and Hopalong when you need them. Though they would have had trouble jumping on to a helicopter from the balcony like they used to. :D	Richard (739)
669253	2008-05-14 03:07:00	Yeah, yeah, we have that every other day in NZ. not.	wratterus (105)
669254	2008-05-14 03:45:00	No doubt they (the perps) were paid up members of the NRA? Or perhaps they were trying to raise their annual sub by holding up the casino. Maybe they were taking Charlton (sp?) Heston's words too literally - "...from my cold dead hands".	John H (8)
669255	2008-05-14 03:56:00	Yeah, yeah, we have that every other day in NZ. not. My neighbour got an Air Rifle pellet through her front window last week. Made a hole about the size of our old 50C coins and took a chunk out of the venetian blind. Cops just put it down to young kids with nothing better to do. They have had several other similar ones lately in the Howick area. In an expensive housing area of Howick (Dannemora). I could understand it happening in Otara, but not here.	Bantu (52)
669256	2008-05-14 04:13:00	My neighbour got an Air Rifle pellet through her front window last week. Made a hole about the size of our old 50C coins and took a chunk out of the venetian blind. Cops just put it down to young kids with nothing better to do. They have had several other similar ones lately in the Howick area. In an expensive housing area of Howick (Dannemora). I could understand it happening in Otara, but not here. The latter is a bit of an assumption, and without much foundation Bantu. I lived in a "wealthy" suburb in Wgtn through the 70's and into the 80's and we had more trouble with the kids there than they had in Porirua. "Our" neighbourhood kids might not have worn patches, but they were just as bad as the kids in recognised gangs. Mostly they were "latchkey" kids - both parents working to maintain their lifestyle, and no-one home when the kids got home from school. Poor neighbourhoods like Otara and Porirua get heavier policing - the cops don't pick up as much crime in wealthier neighbourhoods cos they aren't there as much and don't know what the kids get up to. It becomes a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. Misusing air rifles isn't a modern phenomenon, nor one restricted to poor neighbourhoods. In the early 1960's I got shot in the forehead by an air rifle pellet when I was riding my bike along a road on the outskirts of Rangiora. Enough force to daze me and knock me off my bike by the way, and 1 inch away from taking an eye out.	John H (8)
669257	2008-05-14 06:00:00	No doubt they (the perps) were paid up members of the NRA? Or perhaps they were trying to raise their annual sub by holding up the casino . Maybe they were taking Charlton (sp?) Heston's words too literally - " . . . from my cold dead hands" . See . . . this is where youse guys get it all wrong . . . . As illegal aliens, they are not allowed to own, possess or handle any firearm except a shotgun with a barrel over 36 inches long . ILLEGAL ALIENS: def; any person who illegally enters the US for reasons whatever they may be and who do NOT register and seek citizenship either through naturalization of possessing a "Green Card" indicating they are not native-born to the US . They are not allowed to own any semi-automatic weapon nor a concealable weapon (handgun or sawed off shotgun) at any time whether they are "naturalized" and possess a Green Card or not . Illegal aliens and naturalized citizens cannot be members of the NRA either . The legal citizens (born here) are allowed to own almost everything up to an assault weapon like the aforementioned AK-47 or a Thompson or any machine gun . Military semi-automatic pistols are allowed as are bores up to (and including) 50cal . Black powder weapons (fouling pieces, flintlocks, "Brown Bess's" or other antique weapons are not considered in the same category as fixed ammunition or cased rounds . Collectors are allowed to have and own a machine gun (capable of firing multiple rounds with one trigger pull) if they are welded shut or rendered inoperable . . . for reasons of scholastic purposes or collections .	SurferJoe46 (51)
669258	2008-05-14 06:15:00	Fair enough SJ - I didn't notice your neighbours were aliens . However, you must admit that the availability of firearms, and the whole firearm culture, derives from the right of citizens to bear arms as enshrined in your written constitution . In a country submerged under a midden of firearms, and with the all-pervasive gun culture, it is hardly surprising that aliens will avail themselves of the odd shooter or twelve? The bigger the better and the more rapid firing, big magazine types as shown in your story .	John H (8)
669259	2008-05-14 07:12:00	Fair enough SJ - I didn't notice your neighbours were aliens . Only in America?? Ken	kenj (9738)
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