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| Thread ID: 102914 | 2009-09-06 11:25:00 | Building a new PC - some clues? | Lizard (2409) | Press F1 |
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| 807327 | 2009-09-17 02:43:00 | err, whatever... | SolMiester (139) | ||
| 807328 | 2009-09-17 04:36:00 | 2x Intel 80GB SSD in RAID0 only scores 7.2-7.6 in Win7 :\ - big fail considering it costs like 1k. SSD's are not worth it imo because there are newer generations coming out which will be faster, better and cheaper. I am sure in a couple of years you will laugh at a 80GB SSD and what you have paid for. If you want fast drives get the WD Velociraptor in RAID0 and wait till SSD are cheaper HDD have maybe only about 4-6. I/O is therefore a big bottleneck in modern systems. As random read and writes are the bulk of disk access, SSD are now a real consideration. Sometimes a systems chipset is likely to limit the read speeds of the SSD, and potentially not get to max speed of 250mbs |
whellington (15030) | ||
| 807329 | 2009-09-17 05:00:00 | 2x Intel 80GB SSD in RAID0 only scores 7.2-7.6 in Win7 :\ - big fail considering it costs like 1k. SSD's are not worth it imo because there are newer generations coming out which will be faster, better and cheaper. I am sure in a couple of years you will laugh at a 80GB SSD and what you have paid for. If you want fast drives get the WD Velociraptor in RAID0 and wait till SSD are cheaper Sometimes a systems chipset is likely to limit the read speeds of the SSD, and potentially not get to max speed of 250mbs Dont know where you got those figures from, but they are so wrong its funny....1) you dont need to RAID them to get 50 x the performance of Veloraptor....check for yourself..... anandtech.com |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 807330 | 2009-09-17 07:31:00 | Haha yea....SSD's are much, much faster than a velociraptor!!! | Blam (54) | ||
| 807331 | 2009-09-17 08:13:00 | Looks good to me, except swap the PSU for an antec/enermax/corsair 600w or so, that CM is lower end. Don't bother getting the 1gb Vid card if you don't have a 22"+ screen running at full HD...a waste of memory! Blam Thanks I do have a 22" monitor, but native resolution is 1680X1050, which I think falls just short of FullHD? I'll look into the 600W PSUs. I like the idea of modular PSUs - any pitfalls there? And I'll make the call on the SSD closer to the purchase. I really like the sound of the performance, but it may just be ego getting the better of me. And as people have said, in 6-12 months time it may look ridiculously slow, small and overpriced (such is the risk of early adoption). If prices drop in 4-5 weeks (with luck) then it may look more attractive. I'm also thinking of going for a Thermaltake Raven RV01 case instead of the HAF. I like the extra bit of hyperbole and bombast that the Raven offers, with more than a touch of BSG/Cylon styling to it... :thumbs: |
Lizard (2409) | ||
| 807332 | 2009-09-17 08:33:00 | Thats OK. You should still be able to take advantage of it, and its not much more that an 4870 512mb anyways... Modular PSU's are great...never had any problems with 'em! The raven is a good choice....check out the CM Storm and the Antec 1200 or 900 too! Blam |
Blam (54) | ||
| 807333 | 2009-09-17 09:28:00 | Thanks I do have a 22" monitor, but native resolution is 1680X1050, which I think falls just short of FullHD? I'll look into the 600W PSUs. I like the idea of modular PSUs - any pitfalls there? And I'll make the call on the SSD closer to the purchase. I really like the sound of the performance, but it may just be ego getting the better of me. And as people have said, in 6-12 months time it may look ridiculously slow, small and overpriced (such is the risk of early adoption). If prices drop in 4-5 weeks (with luck) then it may look more attractive. I'm also thinking of going for a Thermaltake Raven RV01 case instead of the HAF. I like the extra bit of hyperbole and bombast that the Raven offers, with more than a touch of BSG/Cylon styling to it... :thumbs: Started thinking about using 2x640GB WD Caviar Black drives in some kind of RAID setup. I don't know much about RAID, just that there are different modes, and some offer redundancy (true RAID), and some offer performance enhancement. I know it won't match SSD performance, but can anyone give me some clues about this? Do any motherboards have onboard RAID, or do you need an extra card for it? I'm going to go hunting for a moron's guide to RAID, but if any resident geniuses here want to try and explain it, I'd be grateful. :) |
Lizard (2409) | ||
| 807334 | 2009-09-17 11:28:00 | Just about all modern mobo have raid controllers. the only raid setup that will multiple performance is multiple spindles and each 1 increases failure percentages. Only Raid 10 gives fault tolerance with each spindle and each spindle is 2 disks of course that isnt financial viable, so you cut the cost with parity with 2 spare disks but at a latency cost. For any performance to come close to SSD, you will need 30+ spindles!...so while SSD's arent great with space return on investment, they can be if performance is the need.............. or the lust!..hehe | SolMiester (139) | ||
| 807335 | 2009-09-17 11:33:00 | Started thinking about using 2x640GB WD Caviar Black drives in some kind of RAID setup. I don't know much about RAID, just that there are different modes, and some offer redundancy (true RAID), and some offer performance enhancement. I know it won't match SSD performance, but can anyone give me some clues about this? Do any motherboards have onboard RAID, or do you need an extra card for it? I'm going to go hunting for a moron's guide to RAID, but if any resident geniuses here want to try and explain it, I'd be grateful. :) No need to "under-sell" yourself here - there is no shame in admitting that there is something one does not understand , knowing ones limitations in my eyes only "gives credit". (those that claims to know and understand everything, while they don't, is the real fools + these days anyone who claims they can "fix everything" is "whatever" because not even the manufactures can get everything to work !) With respect to the harddrives then I guess "Solmeister" is on the mark with respect to speed, but personally I never even considered SDD because of the price and because I think that 80 GB for boot drive is not much these days. I don't know which motherboard you will be buying so I don't know how it will be equipped but very many motherboards offers "SATA RAID" on the SATA controller. Personally I prefer Intel processors and Gigabyte motherboards (but everyone got their favorite). But if you buy Intel CPU then get a motherboard with a good Intel chipsset too. (DDR3 RAM, on the motherboard, is the way forward but still relatively expensive I think where DDR2 is the economical solution - but if you got the money and think it a feasible solution,then go for a DDR3 based solution - however just notice : no-matter what you buy and think will still be good in some years then it will not.)(Already by now they've got third generation of PCI Express Graphics socket lined up, together with USB 3 and SATA 3 - 600 GB/s) With respect to raid then the fast is raid 0 striping and the secure raid 1 mirroring take a look at wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org) ! FIAT LUX |
FIAT LUX (15168) | ||
| 807336 | 2009-09-17 11:54:00 | SolMiester Sorry , I've been mispelling your "handle" , and probably still will do so from time to time in the future, it has not been done deliberately it's just that the word "meister" has a meaning to me where the word "miester" has not, so I "photographically" assumed that your handle included the word "Meister". |
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