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| Thread ID: 102914 | 2009-09-06 11:25:00 | Building a new PC - some clues? | Lizard (2409) | Press F1 |
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| 807317 | 2009-09-16 12:03:00 | Get a beefier/better brand PSU - Corsair 520W or 620W SSDs are a waste of $, HDDs are good enough If you're not going to overclock, the stock cooler should be fine. If you're going to overclock i suggest the Prolimatech Megahalems Better combo: ASUS P7P55D LE INTEL CORE I7 860 CORSAIR 2x2GB DDR3 1600 Buy as a combo for $1,031.11 |
whellington (15030) | ||
| 807318 | 2009-09-16 12:53:00 | I've spent the last week trawling websites and looking at different combinations of parts. Someone mentioned Computer Lounge was a good store, and so I've been basing my choices from their stock. I also like their combo builder. I won't be buying for a month, so hopefully the prices will come down by then. Here's what I've come up with so far: Core bundle - $999, includes Core i7 Lynnfield 860 2.8Ghz Kingston HyperX 2x2GB DDR3 1600 CL9 Gigabyte P55 UD4 LG GH-22LS30 Lightscribe DVDRW - $75 Intel X25M 80GB SSD - $499 Cooler Master Silent Pro 500W Modular PSU - $175 Cooler Master HAF 922 case - $209 Sapphire ATI Radeon 4890 1GB - $369 Win7 ~ $269 (Pricing not available, so basing this on the cost of Vista with "free" upgrade to Win7.) Total cost = $2595 Comments on this setup? I decided to go with a single GPU, on the basis that an identical card will likely drop in price, and if it is still available in 6-12 months time, it seems like it would be a good future upgrade, and would save cash now. I like the idea of a flash case, and plan to add flashy lights and the like (some say tacky, I say I don't care! :) ) Cooler Master seems like a good brand, and the HAF looks solidly built with good airflow. I've been sold on the SSD since I first read about them, and the Intel X25M drives sound pretty solid. I've got a 1TB external drive and a 320GB internal drive for storage, so 80GB should be plenty for OS and programs, I'm guessing? Anandtech's review mentioned that the Lynnfield didn't perform as well as Nehalem with high-end multi-GPUs. But what is classed as "high-end"? At some stage I *might* add another HD4890, but would the performance difference be so significant as to warrant using the 1366 Nehalem? The Gigabyte motherboard and Kingston RAM are part of Computer Lounge's bundle. I'd prefer ASUS and either Corsair or Crucial RAM, but that pushes the price up. Is $999 a good price for that bundle? What do people think of the Gigabyte mobo and Kingston RAM? Finally, I'm not sure if the Core i7 comes with a heatsink/cooler, or whether it would be sufficient? Does anyone know? And if it doesn't, can anyone recommend one that works with the 1156 CPU? Or does someone have a similar, but better, config to offer, for the same price or less (bearing in mind I've sourced this all from one place)? Cheers Lizard Looks good to me, except swap the PSU for an antec/enermax/corsair 600w or so, that CM is lower end. Don't bother getting the 1gb Vid card if you don't have a 22"+ screen running at full HD...a waste of memory! Blam |
Blam (54) | ||
| 807319 | 2009-09-16 13:04:00 | so 80GB should be plenty for OS and programs, I'm guessing? 80GB is nothing these days ! (Please see below for Win 7 requirements) From what M . S . writes a 64Bit installation would require up to 35GB (incl . Windows XP Mode) . And I don't know if that would include swap- & hibernation files too . . . . Also many programs and games takes up considerably space already - and it's not going to be less if you go 64Bit . Anyway - as I recommended earlier : buy a WD Caviar Black (640GB) for boot drive, this drive gives great value for your money (though the 1TB might be cheaper per GB) and it's capability to kick a** is reasonably good . If you place your O . S . on a "high performance drive" then startup & program load time will decrease - so it would be money well spent . I just ran both synthetic and "real world" benchmark on 5 different disks and the WD Caviar Black (640GB) showed to perform greatly . If you wish to test your current drives you may download "CrystalDiskMark 2 . 2" from : . info/software/CrystalDiskMark/index-e . html" target="_blank">crystalmark . info Below I have inserted a benchmark for the "WD Caviar Black (640GB)" , please do however notice that in my experience some program's drivetest test drives as poorer when attached as drive C: and even test the same drive better on a second partition (like drive D: ) . At the drive test shown below the testet drive were NOT attached as drive C: Hardware used for test were an Athlon 64X2 system on a brand new 2009 version motherboard with AMD chipsset . -------------------------------------------------- CrystalDiskMark 2 . 2 (C) 2007-2008 hiyohiyo Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark . info/ -------------------------------------------------- Sequential Read : 129 . 734 MB/s Sequential Write : 114 . 473 MB/s Random Read 512KB : 60 . 501 MB/s Random Write 512KB : 96 . 288 MB/s Random Read 4KB : 0 . 920 MB/s Random Write 4KB : 2 . 247 MB/s Test Size : 100 MB Date : 2009 -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- . microsoft . com/windows/windows-7/get/system-requirements . aspx" target="_blank">www . microsoft . com --------------------------------------------------------------- Windows 7 system requirements If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1 . 0 or higher driver Additional requirements to use certain features: Internet access (fees may apply) Depending on resolution, video playback may require additional memory and advanced graphics hardware For some Windows Media Center functionality a TV tuner and additional hardware may be required Windows Touch and Tablet PCs require specific hardware HomeGroup requires a network and PCs running Windows 7 DVD/CD authoring requires a compatible optical drive BitLocker requires Trusted Platform Module (TPM) 1 . 2 BitLocker To Go requires a USB flash drive Windows XP Mode requires an additional 1 GB of RAM, an additional 15 GB of available hard disk space, and a processor capable of hardware virtualization with Intel VT or AMD-V turned on Music and sound require audio output Product functionality and graphics may vary based on your system configuration . Some features may require advanced or additional hardware . |
FIAT LUX (15168) | ||
| 807320 | 2009-09-17 00:18:00 | If you are building a new system, and have the money, DO get the SSD drives, appears their is a couple of people in this thread talking thru their ass. 80Gb is plenty for the O/S, and will absolutely blow any HDD away. Check out some benchies..anandtech.com Use a SATA drive for your docs and games... Ensure your SSD is the Intel G2 if you are getting MLC flash |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 807321 | 2009-09-17 00:33:00 | appears their is a couple of people in this thread talking thru their ass. And it appears that someone are more than a little bit rude totally without reason !!!!!! |
FIAT LUX (15168) | ||
| 807322 | 2009-09-17 00:42:00 | I like the WD 640 drive, have 1 myself, however i use raid 1 mirror 80Gb for win7, which is plenty for any o/s and productivity suite etc.. Stating 80Gb is not enough is rubbish, especially since in the same breath I stated using a sata drive for everything else. random read\write (almost all I/O except for wehen copying files)on SSD is about 50x faster than the fastest SCSI or SATA drive. anandtech.com To say that is a waste of money is also rubbish...i rest my case! |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 807323 | 2009-09-17 00:46:00 | And it appears that someone are more than a little bit rude totally without reason !!!!!! it appears that some in this thread know what they are talking about.... IF they can be afforded, for the OS a SSD is ideal. |
GameJunkie (72) | ||
| 807324 | 2009-09-17 01:28:00 | I like the WD 640 drive, have 1 myself, however i use raid 1 mirror 80Gb for win7, which is plenty for any o/s and productivity suite etc.. Stating 80Gb is not enough is rubbish, especially since in the same breath I stated using a sata drive for everything else. random read\write (almost all I/O except for wehen copying files)on SSD is about 50x faster than the fastest SCSI or SATA drive. anandtech.com To say that is a waste of money is also rubbish...i rest my case! And any of what you just wrote is supposed to justify your choice of words or "language" in your previous post (or your "case") ? Any "fool" can pickup a catalogue of the newest state of the art hardware and "bring it to the table" , what however remains is the discussion of what serves the thread initilizer best (also in the long run!!!) , which will be that person's choice after the "advice" of others.... I however still can't see how any of this justifies YOUR choice of words or "language" in your previous post !!! it appears that some in this thread know what they are talking about.... IF they can be afforded, for the OS a SSD is ideal. I don't seem to remember having raised any question about that ! And certainly I cannot understand why you would elaborate on "person" "GameJunkie" 's post without condemming the behaviour as well - besides ofcourse if you really don't care what is up and what is down.... |
FIAT LUX (15168) | ||
| 807325 | 2009-09-17 01:50:00 | Well, this fool, builds virtual infrastructures, and has to calculate performance penalties on I/O, RAM and density of VM's. Modern generation Hard drives are the slowest devices in servers and desktops. While CPUs, platform architecture and RAM have all multiplied in speed some 20-30 times in the last 15 yrs, HDD have maybe only about 4-6. I/O is therefore a big bottleneck in modern systems. As random read and writes are the bulk of disk access, SSD are now a real consideration. I don't appreciate being contradicted in a field I have lots of experience, however I apologise for calling you an ass, I didn't realise you were so precious. |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 807326 | 2009-09-17 02:20:00 | Well, this fool, builds virtual infrastructures, and has to calculate performance penalties on I/O, RAM and density of VM's. Modern generation Hard drives are the slowest devices in servers and desktops. While CPUs, platform architecture and RAM have all multiplied in speed some 20-30 times in the last 15 yrs, HDD have maybe only about 4-6. I/O is therefore a big bottleneck in modern systems. As random read and writes are the bulk of disk access, SSD are now a real consideration. Can't see where I have contradicted you with respect to drive type (it's a matter of money and how to spend them here , as far as I know!) !!!!!!! , if it were not for the price of SDD anyone would wanna buy that ! right ? , the only thing we have really disagreed about (apart from inside your head) would be the harddrive size, and since I do not think it required, for expressing my opinion, to read all previous posts I hadn't really noticed that you had written about SDD drives before. I certainly most humbly apologize for not having read everything written by you before I dared express an opinion..... And ALSO i would very much like to point out that I myself pointed out the great importance of type of harddrive for the O.S. with respect to load speed and such - so I simply can't see what I could possibly have done to make you feel your "opinion" so little appreciatedd that you need to feel so hurt or so disrespected... however I apologise for calling you an ass, I didn't realise you were so precious. I might be more "precious" than you might understand, however I think I noticed you using your expression in plural , meaning you might owe some others an apology too... But thank you for the apology , apology accepted , thanks ! But don't you think that conversation in general ought to be "civil" un-less called for otherwise ! (?) |
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