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Thread ID: 90481	2008-06-04 11:54:00	Obama's "Not Exactly's"	Zippity (58)	PC World Chat

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675567	2008-06-04 11:54:00	Quoted from another forum: 1 . ) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965 . (Google 'Obama Selma' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths . ) 2 . ) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government . 3 . ) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had . 4 . ) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades . The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law . Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower . You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone . Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there . When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter . Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started . Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get . No one wants to know the truth . 5 . ) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews . Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man . 6 . ) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language . Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama Barack Hussein . Obama is not half black . If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President . Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43 . 75% Arabic and 6 . 25% African Negro from his father's side . While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs . Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12 . 5% African Negro and 87 . 5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro) . For more . . . . go to . . . . . . arcadeathome . com/newsboy . phtml? . . . Obama_-_Arab-Am" target="_blank">www . arcadeathome . com 7 . ) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office . 4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in islam'' . . wnd . com/index" target="_blank">www . wnd . com 8 . ) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book) . February 28, 2008 . Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr . Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent . In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr . Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset . ' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts . ' 9 . ) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language . 10 . ) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language . What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons . 11 . ) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies . 12 . ) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine . 13 . ) An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book . It doesn't, and never did, exist . 14 . ) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book . It doesn't, and never did, exist . 15 . ) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first . 16 . ) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, it is common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES . 17 . ) Oops, I Misvoted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote . 18 . ) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE . 19 . ) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE . 20 . ) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it . 21 . ) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish . 22 . ) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came . 23 . ) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within . 24 . ) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books . 25 . ) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill . 26 . ) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXAC TLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part . 27 . ) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office . 28 . ) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them . 29 . ) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel . 30 . ) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide . 31 . ) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time . 32 . ) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself . 33 . ) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you . 34 . ) I Don't Take PAC! Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it . 35 . ) I don't Have Lobbyists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting . 36 . ) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon . 37 . ) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time . 38 . ) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it .	Zippity (58)
675568	2008-06-04 23:27:00	So, he's just a normal politician then! :yuck:	tingle (6539)
675569	2008-06-05 00:00:00	Ken Blackwell - Columnist for the New York Sun It's an amazing time to be alive in America . We're in a year of firsts in this presidential election: the first viable woman candidate; the first viable African-American candidate; and, a candidate who is the first front-running freedom fighter over 70 . The next president of America will be a first . We won't truly be in an election of firsts, however, until we judge every candidate by where they stand . We won't arrive where we should be until we no longer talk about skin color or gender . Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field, we need to stop talking about his race, and start talking about his policies and his politics . The reality is this: Though the Democrats will not have a nominee until August, unless Hillary Clinton drops out, Mr . Obama is now the frontrunner, and its time America takes a closer and deeper look at him . Some pundits are calling him the next John F . Kennedy . He's not . He's the next George McGovern . And it's time people learned the facts . Because the truth is that Mr . Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U . S . Senate . He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs . Clinton . Never in my life have I seen a presidential frontrunner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record . Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes, and he lost . George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost . Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost . Yet Mr . Obama is promising all those things, and he's not behind in the polls . Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant . Mr . Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and blue, to lead the United States of America . But let's look at the more defined strokes of who he is underneath this superficial "beauty . " Start with national security, since the president's most important duties are as commander-in-chief . Over the summer, Mr . Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s . Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks . Mr . Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk . Next, consider economic policy . For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world . And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago . Yet Mr . Obama promises to raise taxes on "the rich . " How to fix Social Security? Raise taxes . How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes . Prescription drugs? Raise taxes . Free college? Raise taxes . Socialize medicine? Raise taxes . His solution to everything is to have government take it over . Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck . Finally, look at the social issues . Mr . Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, "All praise and glory to God!" but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have "hijacked" - hijacked - Christianity . He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitutional . He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing . His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction . In Illinois, he refused to vote against a statewide ban - ban - on all handguns in the state . These are radical left, Hollywood, and San Francisco values, not Middle America values . The real Mr . Obama is an easy target for the general election . Mrs . Clinton is a far tougher opponent . But Mr . Obama could win if people don't start looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches . His vision of "bringing America together" means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for America are hijackers or warmongers . Uniting the country means adopting his liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs . But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his race . Those should never be the factors on which we base our choice for president . Mr . Obama's radical agenda sets him far outside the American mainstream, to the left of Mrs . Clinton . It's time to talk about the real Barack Obama . In an election of firsts, let's first make sure we elect the person who is qualified to be our president in a nuclear age during a global civilizational war .	Zippity (58)
675570	2008-06-05 00:45:00	And your point is? Yawn.	John H (8)
675571	2008-06-05 01:04:00	I guess that you are a Labour voter :(	Zippity (58)
675572	2008-06-05 01:24:00	I guess that you are a Labour voter :( Why would you guess that? The local 1 term wonder wanting the top job is National. So far he's trying to limit mistakes by keeping his mouth shut.	PaulD (232)
675573	2008-06-05 01:40:00	Obama has won the nomination on charisma. While I don't believe most of the conspiracy stuff in that forum post above, what is true is that the gloves will now come off and the Republicans will aggressively go after his credibility as a potential president, putting everything he's ever said (or claimed to have said) and done (or claimed to have done) under the microscope. They'll use dirty tactics as well as up front criticism. Let's not forget that that Kerry - a bone fide and decorated war veteran, mananged to have his credibility as a veteran successfully attacked by a smear campaign. Neither Obama nor Hillary unleashed this level of attack on each other, because as fellow democrats and potential running mates, they couldn't afford to. McCain has no such problem. So the question is, will Obama stand up to that level of attack. I think there were enough times during the nomination campaign where he slipped up - and enough questionable utterances about what he'd do in the big chair - that the Reps might find it all to easy to portray him as dangerously naive, and ill-prepared for the top job. Meanwhile, despite the immense unpopularity of the Iraq war - US deaths there are at an all time low and McCain might well be able to pursue a message along the lines of "whatever your views on Iraq, what we are doing there now is finally working and puling out now would be the wrong thing to do".	Biggles (121)
675574	2008-06-05 01:47:00	Doesnt really matter who gets the presidency....the USA is bankrupt, they can no longer service their loans.......watch this space.....	SolMiester (139)
675575	2008-06-05 01:50:00	Doesnt really matter who gets the presidency....the USA is bankrupt, they can no longer service their loans.......watch this space..... Cool - can we pick up the whole country cheap at a mortgagee sale? I've got dibs on Maine.	Biggles (121)
675576	2008-06-05 03:05:00	I guess that you are a Labour voter :( What the hell has that got to do with this thread (or you, for that matter)? Last time I looked, Obama was campaigning in Amerika, and Labour was campaigning in NZ. My voting preferences are irrelevant to the thread and to my post (though not to you by the look of it). My post was an objection to two things - first, to you hiding behind two piles of blatant Republican (or Clinton?) steaming droppings deposited here, presumably because you agreed with them, but maybe you thought they were funny - you didn't make yourself clear. Secondly, I was indicating that I found your posts utterly boring - we have had to put up with the news media's obsession with the endless months of farce in Amerika. Such a pity that you thought it was a good idea to continue the pollution here.	John H (8)
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