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Thread ID: 90836	2008-06-17 21:38:00	Eco Bulbs - Greens Incandescant Ban Sucks	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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679611	2008-09-09 02:23:00	Here: www.thinkgeek.com Bit pricey though.	ubergeek85 (131)
679612	2008-09-09 03:07:00	They really are a significant risk to older people - the amount of light needed to see by increases exponentially after about 50, so you need heaps more light to see by once you're kicking 60, and it gets progressively worse after that. And if an 80 year old falls, it's nasty - fractures, disability, having to move into battery care, hypothermia if not found, and not unusually, death from hypothermia or the trauma of the injury and surgery combined. It really is an issue that needs more careful consideration before legislation is shoved through.	annie (6010)
679613	2008-09-09 03:09:00	Nothing that couldn't be solved by turning on the lights a few minutes before you need them. For things like hallways though, I can see the problem. Are halogens covered by this ban?	ubergeek85 (131)
679614	2008-09-09 03:12:00	They really are a significant risk to older people - the amount of light needed to see by increases exponentially after about 50, so you need heaps more light to see by once you're kicking 60, and it gets progressively worse after that. And if an 80 year old falls, it's nasty - fractures, disability, having to move into battery care, hypothermia if not found, and not unusually, death from hypothermia or the trauma of the injury and surgery combined. It really is an issue that needs more careful consideration before legislation is shoved through. Of course. That's why you buy brighter CFL bulbs. I use 26W (125w equivalent) CFLs which are nice and bright, and in my opinion closer to 100w incandescents. I use 20W CFLs (manufacturers claim they're equivalent to 100W incandescents) for desk lamps to get the level of light which is comfortable to read in. The colour temperature of the CFLs also makes a big difference - buying slightly more expensive brands with "Warm White" rather than "Daylight" colour temperatures is well worth it. We all know not to trust manufacturer's claims when it comes to things like laptop battery life, and so on; this is no different.	somebody (208)
679615	2008-09-09 04:09:00	Are we saying they are no goood these new fangled bulbs,or what?	Cicero (40)
679616	2008-09-09 04:12:00	Are we saying they are no goood these new fangled bulbs,or what? I'm saying they're fine - you just need to buy brighter ones.	somebody (208)
679617	2008-09-09 04:13:00	And the warmup, Somebody? Old person tottering as fast as possible to toilet freezing in middle of night and turns the light on - what? Wait two minutes and proceed? It's another example of ideological certainty gone mad - if they won't do the right thing as we define it, let's just force them.	annie (6010)
679618	2008-09-09 04:20:00	And the warmup, Somebody? Old person tottering as fast as possible to toilet freezing in middle of night and turns the light on - what? Wait two minutes and proceed? It's another example of ideological certainty gone mad - if they won't do the right thing as we define it, let's just force them. You're taking my comment out of context. I meant CFL's for the lounge (where they're kept on), and maybe incandescent for the hallway, bathroom, etc. Failing that, maybe a bunch of halogens, or stockpile now.	ubergeek85 (131)
679619	2008-09-09 04:27:00	And the warmup, Somebody? Old person tottering as fast as possible to toilet freezing in middle of night and turns the light on - what? Wait two minutes and proceed? It's another example of ideological certainty gone mad - if they won't do the right thing as we define it, let's just force them. You're absolutely right, and I certainly wouldn't advocate for a ban on incandescent bulbs (or other alternatives). The report on the news last night was moaning about how CFLs are too dim to read with, arguing that it was an inherent issue with the technology and how it causes people's eyesight to deteriorate. I've obviously taken your comment out of context a bit when replying to this thread.	somebody (208)
679620	2008-09-09 05:05:00	I'm saying they're fine - you just need to buy brighter ones. I agree. I've used some for several years, but prefer the incandescent bulbs where good lighting is crucial. The claims that some are the equal of, say 75watt, are overrated. I think that some people's eyesight will suffer, unless particular attention is given to making absolutely certain there is adequate lighting. I gave up trying to read at night when I was staying at a home that had very high ceilings. What riles me is having no choice.	Marnie (4574)
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