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| Thread ID: 91055 | 2008-06-24 21:04:00 | Claims | Sweep (90) | PC World Chat |
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| 682134 | 2008-06-26 22:58:00 | ALLLLLL A BBBBOOOOOOORRRRRDDDDDDDD the CRAVY TRAIN. Apart from you sir, Your white, You have to go and work to pay for the gravy train. In actual fact, the Crown has been on the gravy train for quite some time and has given a few scraps from the side of the plate to try and heal over the past injustices. |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 682135 | 2008-06-26 23:25:00 | Of course they have, we pay for that gravy train as well. All as bad as each other. | Metla (12) | ||
| 682136 | 2008-06-27 00:08:00 | With luck Jon H is in a pot,cooking and wondering was he taking the right side. Unfortunately I have not yet found the truth but I am still looking. I highly doubt that any person alive today knows the full truth. I certainly think that any wrongs should be put right and I might add it should have been done much earlier than it has been. It is only recently that the Government has apologised to military staff whom returned from Vietnam for example. But for how long should people hold a grudge anyway I wonder? My basic point is that in spite of various settlements the average Maori does not appear to benefit in any way that I can see. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 682137 | 2008-06-27 00:16:00 | Maori arent benefitting because like all things that involve money, greed plays a big part. A few always ruins it for the rest of them. My dads side is Maori and they believe Maori cant move foward until they stop all the bickering amongst themselves. Add money into a divided group and watch the fireworks. |
rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
| 682138 | 2008-06-27 00:20:00 | They will hold that grudge as long as its profitable, as as long as society nurtures it. | Metla (12) | ||
| 682139 | 2008-06-27 00:25:00 | They will hold that grudge as long as its profitable, as as long as society nurtures it. So true,so true. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 682140 | 2008-06-27 00:34:00 | Unlike Europeans who all agree about matters of importance to the European race in general...? If the Crown accepts that there is an injustice that they must put right by offering a settlement - why is there some onus on the injured party to show that they are doing anything in particular with their settlement? Usually the amount that a claimant party has lost is vastly larger than the settlement that they end up with - in the case of Ngai Tahu the conservative estimates of their losses were around the $20 billion mark. They got $180 million cash and about $400 million in property. Deane F, There should be an onus on the injured party to show that they are improving the lot of their Whanua, Hapu or Iwi as the case may be. Back in 1840 the colonists did not use dollars so therefore maybe you just grabbed the figures out of airspace? Now if you could just tell me how the average Maori benefits from these settlements it would help me to understand why some of the tax I pay goes toward said settlements. As to your other comment about Europeans I do note that a number of PressF1 members can't even agree about what hardware to buy or what O/S to run. I also suspect we do not all share the same genealogy. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 682141 | 2008-06-27 00:57:00 | Deane F, There should be an onus on the injured party to show that they are improving the lot of their Whanua, Hapu or Iwi as the case may be. Back in 1840 the colonists did not use dollars so therefore maybe you just grabbed the figures out of airspace? Now if you could just tell me how the average Maori benefits from these settlements it would help me to understand why some of the tax I pay goes toward said settlements. As to your other comment about Europeans I do note that a number of PressF1 members can't even agree about what hardware to buy or what O/S to run. I also suspect we do not all share the same genealogy. Take my word for it Sweep,you will be blue in the face b4 you get reasoned argument from that quarter. Words yes,reason no. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 682142 | 2008-06-27 02:14:00 | Take my word for it Sweep,you will be blue in the face b4 you get reasoned argument from that quarter. Words yes,reason no. Well to date on this thread no person has been able to explain where the money goes and how it benefits the average Maori. Please note that I am not trying to have an argument but rather a debate where people can discuss the claims preferably without being called bigots or racist. I have already admitted that there was injustice in the past when it comes to the land wars and I believe that to be correct. Mind you even Courts of Law and all the Lawyers can't agree as to what the law(s) actually mean today. I also admit that most Maori just get on with their lives as do other races for which I thank them. Once again it seems to be a very vocal minority. May be time I put in a claim for loss of life during world war 2 or even go back to world war 1. We have to learn by history and we should not repeat mistakes of the past in my view. Once again it depends on who wrote the history and which version you believe in MY opinion. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 682143 | 2008-06-27 02:26:00 | Imagine if they gave every maori a million bucks.... | rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
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