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Thread ID: 91055	2008-06-24 21:04:00	Claims	Sweep (90)	PC World Chat

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682114	2008-06-26 02:21:00	So customary use is a form of title - but it has its limits and qualifications. It ought to be mentioned in this debate that once freehold title to land passes from the Crown into private hands it is pretty much untouchable as far as Treaty claims are concerned. My freehold bit of land did not mention oil discovery but did mention coal. :-) And the Crown can do pretty much whatever it likes whenever it likes even to the point of retrospective legislation. I'll have a kick at goal from 50 meters out. Whoops somebody moved the posts.	Sweep (90)
682115	2008-06-26 02:24:00	So, If a tribe came out of the land wars holding the majority of the land would all this "claiming" back be going on or is just due to the fact the group that ended up with the largest stake happened to have white skin? And on the same token would large groups of people be able to lay blame for all their failings on the major land owner if that land owner was just the largest tribe? Take the race based arguments out of the debate and the entire thing falls over, It only works when the so called victims have a difference they can hang their crap on.	Metla (12)
682116	2008-06-26 02:25:00	Nah we just all go to Aussie lol So what changes? You almost hear more kiwi accents in Melbourne than you do Aussies. Not that that's a bad thing. :D	Thebananamonkey (7741)
682117	2008-06-26 02:28:00	You can piece it together as Whanganui, because to make a consistent written language that you can call Maori you need to have rules that you can apply across the board. Whanganui is one of them, with the w becoming a wh regardless of how it's spelled. But regardless, Wanganui is it's name now. Who's saying we should rip down road signs? They are? Lets get "them", it's about time "they" were made accountable. It's time "they" were taken out and shot. What on earth are you talking about? Seriously, Thats just a mess. I guess you just discounted English and every other langauge ever as a language, As for "they", Start with Ken Mair and move in any direction you like, "they" are quite vocal. Wanganui even had local referendum on the matter to shut "them" up.	Metla (12)
682118	2008-06-26 02:31:00	In a way though, this is just like Afghanistan. People were pushing for something to happen, and for a while everyone was following the progress with 'bated breath. Then we decide that it's boring and don't want to know about it. "That? Oh, that's old news" The treaty's something similar. There needs to be something done, but nobody cares anymore because it seems like it's taking too long. It's just that instead of being rushed through the system, they're actually being legitimately investigated. Once something's been on the news once or twice people start getting annoyed. It's called due process people.	Thebananamonkey (7741)
682119	2008-06-26 02:33:00	So what changes? You almost hear more kiwi accents in Melbourne than you do Aussies. Not that that's a bad thing. :D And Sydney!	rob_on_guitar (4196)
682120	2008-06-26 02:34:00	What on earth are you talking about? Seriously, Thats just a mess. I guess you just discounted English and every other langauge ever as a language, As for "they", Start with Ken Mair and move in any direction you like, "they" are quite vocal. Wanganui even had local referendum on the matter to shut "them" up. All I'm saying is that from a Maori viewpoint (ie: the one NZWars was taking) Whanganui is it's legitimate name. Historically, and currently. From anyone elses Wanganui is its name. When they made Maori into a written language they had to decide on how to write it. W and F sounds were called Wh, and so Whanganui being pronounced Wanganui doesn't really matter. Anyway... I don't care enough about my arguement to keep it up till doomsday, so I think I'll just follow the rats out of this sinking ship I've got here.	Thebananamonkey (7741)
682121	2008-06-26 02:43:00	Funny that, I would have thought the pronunciation of a name definitely mattered, Right to the point of dictating how it was written down, Especially for the very first time it was done Which is actually how it was done. Amazing, so then as now the name is Wanganui. The argument for change is coming from 2 sides, One is the activists that just want to rock the boat for the sake of it, The other side is the political/academics employed to rewrite history and glorify the Maori culture and language into something it never was.	Metla (12)
682122	2008-06-26 02:49:00	I think Ken Mair is as Maori as I am. But of course very vocal! I also think that all claims will still be hanging around another 200 years from now. Still waiting for a reply as to how the average Maori will benefit overall unless He/She is a lawyer. Will these settlements keep the average Maori out of prison and with better education and also with better health? If so then I am all for the settlements but I just can't see it happening in my lifetime.	Sweep (90)
682123	2008-06-26 03:05:00	Funny that, I would have thought the pronunciation of a name definitely mattered, Right to the point of dictating how it was written down, Especially for the very first time it was done Which is actually how it was done. Amazing, so then as now the name is Wanganui. You'd be right if Maori was actually one discrete language. But it's not. It's really dialectal. It would be an absolute mess if they made individual rules for every single place. We're lucky that in English we don't really have dialects in the same way, so it's harder to explain. German has them really badly, so badly that they invented a language to bridge the gap. Maori's a little bit the same I think.	Thebananamonkey (7741)
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