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| Thread ID: 91055 | 2008-06-24 21:04:00 | Claims | Sweep (90) | PC World Chat |
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| 682104 | 2008-06-26 01:06:00 | Actually, isn't the river technically called the Whanganui river? And the town is Wanganui? So in reference to the above, were they definitely talking about the town? Also, Wellington has two names, it's also called Te Whanganui a Tara, so why can't Wanganui have two very similar ones? It's a little silly, but at least it's accurate. |
Thebananamonkey (7741) | ||
| 682105 | 2008-06-26 01:21:00 | Anyone can call anyplace anything they want, Its when a few people decide (in there arrogance) to rename your town for you that people trend to get upset. I have never seen Wellington listed as Te Whanganui a Tara on any map, And everyone I have met in Wellington considers themselves to be in Wellington so I'll just go on calling it Wellington. I don't fancy the chances of getting mail delivered to Te Whanganui a Tara...... |
Metla (12) | ||
| 682106 | 2008-06-26 01:40:00 | Anyway, the site that said Whanganui was the NZ Wars site, no? ie: They're historians, and Whanganui would be more historically accurate, if not currently favourable. Nobody's suggesting you start tearing down roadsigns. Would you prefer a historians weren't historically accurate? |
Thebananamonkey (7741) | ||
| 682107 | 2008-06-26 01:43:00 | They are suggesting, In fact insisting we tear down road signs. That aside, With no written language there was no silent letters therefor its not only written Wanganui, But pronounced as its written, In an historical and modern sense. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 682108 | 2008-06-26 01:48:00 | www.independent.co.uk | Scouse (83) | ||
| 682109 | 2008-06-26 01:54:00 | Your argument is so clear and concise Metla,that will shut those odd thinking wallah's up. | Cicero (40) | ||
| 682110 | 2008-06-26 02:07:00 | So the Ngaitahu appear to benefit but very few other tribes. (snip) Sorry Sweep, you may have got the wrong impression as a result of what I have been saying - I just talked more about Ngai Tahu because that is the claim I know best. There have been lots of other claims, but I know nothing about how any funds have been managed by other iwi. Someone may know about what has been happening with Tainui - I don't. And of course there were claims like the Te Reo claim which led to the expenditure of government money for the benefit of all people (all iwi, and anyone else who wants to learn te reo Māori) where there were no funds paid out to individual iwi. I think Māori TV may be funded from that. And there was the Motunui-Waitara claim in Taranaki (was it the first claim?) related to sewage disposal on the foreshore - again, the local iwi didn't get large sums of money out of it, but they (and everyone who gathers seafood in that area) benefited from stopping the sewage polluting the sea. As far as the Sealords redundancies are concerned, there may be problems there, but those problems are shared throughout the fishing industry - it doesn't necessarily reflect on Ngai Tahu management. Their accounts recently showed that they are doing very well indeed. |
John H (8) | ||
| 682111 | 2008-06-26 02:13:00 | I was under the impression that each settlement was open ended, and had a top-up clause written into them. Either way, The next generation will no doubt put in another claim. They will be taught the ways...... Both the Tainui and Ngai Tahu settlements have a clause like that built into them. Tahu Potiki was just on National Radio this am, and he said they look like an algebra lesson. He seemed to feel that it was unlikely that the central Nth Is forestry settlement signed today would trigger the clause. The clause came about as a result of the Tories introducing a $1b cap on all treaty settlements (a unilateral decision by the Crown, not a negotiated settlement). The iwi that were in negotiations at the time got the top up clause introduced because they had to work within this arbitrary figure. I think they were told that if they took all or most of the money within the cap, that would mean there would be nothing left for claims by other iwi. They agreed to accept their settlements (a fraction of what they had lost) on that basis provided that if the government agreed to exceed the cap, they would be entitled to a top up. |
John H (8) | ||
| 682112 | 2008-06-26 02:18:00 | They are suggesting, In fact insisting we tear down road signs. That aside, With no written language there was no silent letters therefor its not only written Wanganui, But pronounced as its written, In an historical and modern sense. You can piece it together as Whanganui, because to make a consistent written language that you can call Maori you need to have rules that you can apply across the board. Whanganui is one of them, with the w becoming a wh regardless of how it's spelled. But regardless, Wanganui is it's name now. Who's saying we should rip down road signs? They are? Lets get "them", it's about time "they" were made accountable. It's time "they" were taken out and shot. |
Thebananamonkey (7741) | ||
| 682113 | 2008-06-26 02:21:00 | Nah we just all go to Aussie lol | rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
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