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Thread ID: 91055	2008-06-24 21:04:00	Claims	Sweep (90)	PC World Chat

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682164	2008-06-27 12:15:00	Sweep - you got me - a typo! Shucks. A typo does not really worry me as I am certainly guilty of that as well. I just mentioned that to show that some people make mistakes and one would think that some historians do this at times. I am all for the Maori culture but claims as to airspace, TV channels and the like were not thought about in the 1800's as planes and TV did not exist at that time I believe. Personally I think that some ridiculous claims should never be presented. As I have said before I work with some Maori people and not one to my knowledge benefit personally from any settlement as far as I am aware. I am also rather annoyed at the fact that the Maori language was suppressed in my lifetime in school and it should not have been. At that time I did not even notice that the Maori kids were different to me. We played together and etc. Skin colour or race meant nothing to me at that time. Now, however, there seem to be a lot of claims and we ALL have to be sensitive to other cultures which is fair enough. A couple of years ago I attended a learning institution which would give me credits for visiting a Marae in spite of this being a computer course. I had been to the Marae before as my employer had leased the land from the Maori for grazing along with growing maize. Some sheep tended to get off the property on a regular basis for some reason even though we fenced it. I wonder why? Perhaps the regular Hangis had something to do with this but I can not prove this and nor do I need to. Some people are being fleeced regardless of the price of wool!	Sweep (90)
682165	2008-06-27 12:53:00	I know more then a few who had to distance themselves (usually in disgust) from the victim mentality of the claimants in order to go out and forge a life for themselves, and when they go back home for family events all the old politics are still being fought over. Sad thing is the money and land they claim won't fix their mentality.	Metla (12)
682166	2008-06-27 14:20:00	That's very unprofessional, to say the least. Was he connected with a university or any organisation that you could complain to? I could complain to my local Taniwha but for some reason I can not find one. One at least lives in Auckland so I gather according to Media reports. I do note that some roads in Auckland may have a Taniwha problem. I can't even find fairies at the bottom of my garden either. No Leprechauns as well for some reason. Plenty of Trolls I can find though! It may be time I went back to the Brothers Grimm but I really have a problem believing all this. Now why, in your opinion, are Maori over represented in Prison per head of population? And why, generally, are Maori also suffering as to health when they collectively have all the settlements? Then of course we have the education issue. I do not believe all Maori should be shot, executed or otherwise put down. Where is the evidence for the claims? I have read about Ngai Tahu but Sealord seems to have a problem for some reason. I want proof and I want the lot of the general maori people to improve as settlements go on. This, in my opinion, sadly, does not happen currently.	Sweep (90)
682167	2008-06-27 14:34:00	I know more then a few who had to distance themselves (usually in disgust) from the victim mentality of the claimants in order to go out and forge a life for themselves, and when they go back home for family events all the old politics are still being fought over. Sad thing is the money and land they claim won't fix their mentality. Metla, Not all Maori have mental problems. There are just some very vocal people about who seem to be unable to back up facts. Maori I have talked to in general seem not to benefit by settlements for some reason. Some I do work with and others just go to prison or lead their own life without complaint.	Sweep (90)
682168	2008-06-27 20:59:00	Maori I have talked to in general seem not to benefit by settlements for some reason. Just off the top of my head, I know that as one example of Maori benefitting from settlements, Ngai Tahu a while ago started a savings scheme for their members to promote building futures for their children etc. The Iwi contributes a dollar for every dollar saved in this scheme - and, if my recollection is correct, kickstarts the scheme for each member by putting up the first $1000. Ngai Tahu pay for this by having set up their Runanga in a very particular way. They have two umbrellas under which they operate their affairs - a business side and a Iwi development side. One side funds the other and a set proportion of the income from the business side goes to supporting the social development side of the Runanga. Members of the Ngai Tahu Iwi can borrow money from the Runanga to start or purchase businesses etc. The list goes on. And that's just Ngai Tahu.	Deane F (8204)
682169	2008-06-27 22:43:00	All that from the tax payer..... everyone should claim for paying for the claims....	rob_on_guitar (4196)
682170	2008-06-27 23:20:00	I know more then a few who had to distance themselves (usually in disgust) from the victim mentality of the claimants in order to go out and forge a life for themselves, and when they go back home for family events all the old politics are still being fought over. Sad thing is the money and land they claim won't fix their mentality. Which is why so many of them have done a KenESmith and moved to the Gold Coast.	johcar (6283)
682171	2008-06-28 01:24:00	Just off the top of my head, I know that as one example of Maori benefitting from settlements, Ngai Tahu a while ago started a savings scheme for their members to promote building futures for their children etc. The Iwi contributes a dollar for every dollar saved in this scheme - and, if my recollection is correct, kickstarts the scheme for each member by putting up the first $1000. Ngai Tahu pay for this by having set up their Runanga in a very particular way. They have two umbrellas under which they operate their affairs - a business side and a Iwi development side. One side funds the other and a set proportion of the income from the business side goes to supporting the social development side of the Runanga. Members of the Ngai Tahu Iwi can borrow money from the Runanga to start or purchase businesses etc. The list goes on. And that's just Ngai Tahu. Deane F You keep on with Ngai Tahu and I am fully aware that the Ngai Tahu have done reasonably well in business but other Maori have not done so well so I understand. According to model you mention for Ngai Tahu I guess Kiwisaver would do a certain amount for the average working Maori person as well. John H appears to have dropped off this thread for some reason so therefore he is away, has no access to a computer, can't back up statements with proof or some other reason. You still will not answer my questions about keeping Maori out of crime and helping with education and health. With the latest settlement it comes down to the individual as to what He/She wants to do with the land. In the event a person wants to sell then they have get permission from all the owners to do so and that is very unlikely to happen. In my view it is time that we get the waka going in one direction as opposed to going around in circles.	Sweep (90)
682172	2008-06-28 02:37:00	Deane F You keep on with Ngai Tahu and I am fully aware that the Ngai Tahu have done reasonably well in business but other Maori have not done so well so I understand. I keep on with Ngai Tahu because I live in Chch and have also looked closely at their settlement and current structure while at university here a few years ago. I also believe that if you were as concerned about this matter as you make yourself out to be - then you would put effort into informing yourself about the matter - rather than expecting a list of answers to your list of questions. There are much better sources from which you can draw information about settlements than an internet forum.	Deane F (8204)
682173	2008-06-28 02:52:00	Pretty normal for the University trained to be unable to correlate it with the grass roots reality. Still, They remain convinced they hold some sort of enlightenment denied others.	Metla (12)
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