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Thread ID: 91105	2008-06-26 08:36:00	Vets	qazwsxokmijn (102)	PC World Chat

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682693	2008-06-29 12:20:00	The other version is usually used by those who refuse to accept that just because we are the smartest organism on earth, that we are also a part of the animal kingdom existing on earth. or just used the word expecting it to be understood in context of the statement What's that got to do with anything said so far? Have some respect for animals, commercially useful or not. This isn't a hippie thing. well if you're going to start raving on about how animals should have equal rights to humans, you're logically going to find oneself trapped towards vegetarianism (or even veganism) having an animal put down because you simply can't afford the $3000 operation isn't cruel. it's a harsh reality. i'm not proposing beating the thing to death, but between a lethal injection or an instant death by bullet, the death is still a death and it's still painless (for the animal). we poison/shoot/trap pests yet when a family dog that is blind, cancerous, crippled by arthritis is put down you're all going to get up in arms about how animals are people too?! imo many animals are lucky they can be euthanised (by a vet or otherwise) ever seen how most animals get killed by humans? (let alone the ones mercilessly ripped to pieces and eaten alive by hungry predators)	motorbyclist (188)
682694	2008-06-29 12:56:00	well if you're going to start raving on about how animals should have equal rights to humans, you're logically going to find oneself trapped towards vegetarianism (or even veganism) What? Do you really think all animal rights activists are vegans? If you do my friend, then well, you're gonna have to get your facts right. And no, I'm not talking about the whole equal rights thing, because frankly, a dog is a dog, a cat is a cat, a cow is a cow, and a human is a human. What constitutes as a right for a species is whatever that gives them the best possible outcome with little or no negative impact to its own or other species. having an animal put down because you simply can't afford the $3000 operation isn't cruel. it's a harsh reality. i'm not proposing beating the thing to death, but between a lethal injection or an instant death by bullet, the death is still a death and it's still painless (for the animal). Seriously, leave out the bullet part. I have no problem with everything in the above quote save for the bullet thing. It's not exactly a 'compassionate euthanisation' when a bullet is used rather than the blue juice. Not only is it repulsive, the average Jo would not know exactly where in the head to shoot, especially bigger animals, and shooting the wrong spot will not kill the animal instantly, instead you'd just be giving it much more pain. If you think it's as straight forward as 'bullet-to-the-head', then you've watched too many movies. we poison/shoot/trap pests yet when a family dog that is blind, cancerous, crippled by arthritis is put down you're all going to get up in arms about how animals are people too?! imo many animals are lucky they can be euthanised (by a vet or otherwise) Firstly, pests encroach human territories. For example, the possum. It was brought to NZ, kills native animals, etc. A lot like humans (practically a pest to the whole world), only on a much smaller scale. And pests are often prolific breeders, and as long as they're not in danger of extinction, I have no problem with their extermination in controlled places. Secondly, who/what gave you the idea I'm one of those extreme animal-rights kinda guy? I know animals are lucky they can be put down humanely when their health or living conditions compromises their right to a decently comfortable life. It's just that the way you put it, how you said 'they're still animals' that kinda rustled my shoes. Pretty obvious you've never had a dog. You know, they're called companion animals for a very good and literal reason. ever seen how most animals get killed by humans? (let alone the ones mercilessly ripped to pieces and eaten alive by hungry predators) Ah, so now we're comparing humans to nature?	qazwsxokmijn (102)
682695	2008-06-29 13:00:00	I don't really mind simply because im asian myself.lol But to be off topic a bit If I was sick I would go see a doctor .Western medicine is prefered but If i want to maintain a healthy body or if I have problems with digestions,lost of appetite,heat inside the body I would see a chinese herbal doctor.Chinese medicine	Ninjabear (2948)
682696	2008-06-29 13:10:00	If i want to maintain a healthy body or if I have problems with digestions,lost of appetite,heat inside the body I would see a chinese herbal doctor.Chinese medicine Yeah, me too. But it can be hard to know which ones are authentic and actually does what it should. Last time I took some Chinese herbal stuff (about 9 years ago) I turned from a skeleton to a balloon in 2 years and remained that way until a year ago. I say one has to be extremely cautious when taking Chinese medicine these days, especially if they're new to the field. I'm Chinese myself, and I don't trust many of my country's products. There are many rip-off and counterfeit medicines made by China that either does nothing or even harm you. If you want Chinese medicine, you'd probably need to see some kind of professional or 70+ year old Chinese grandmothers. They seem to know best (my grandmother was the one to suggest that smelly herbal thing I took 9 years ago).	qazwsxokmijn (102)
682697	2008-06-29 13:38:00	What? Do you really think all animal rights activists are vegans? If you do my friend, then well, you're gonna have to get your facts right. i wasn't referring to activists, just to the logical trail that most vegetarians arrive at from the assumption that animals=humans from a right to life perspective. didn't realise your issue was with the method of euthanasia rather than the very use of it Seriously, leave out the bullet part. I have no problem with everything in the above quote save for the bullet thing. It's not exactly a 'compassionate euthanisation' when a bullet is used rather than the blue juice. Not only is it repulsive, the average Jo would not know exactly where in the head to shoot, especially bigger animals, and shooting the wrong spot will not kill the animal instantly, instead you'd just be giving it much more pain. If you think it's as straight forward as 'bullet-to-the-head', then you've watched too many movies. again, harsh realities if one had a gun, and was prepared to use it, i'd hope they'd know how to use it - typical/common example would be a farmer. in a suburb using a gun would be downright dangerous and likely to attract attention. my very limited hunting experience would tell me a shotgun (or really steady aim) would be most appropriate to ensure a "clean" kill - oh sorry, i mean "euthanasia" cause that sounds nicer:illogical so take my statement with the assumption that it is done correctly. sure i may be blunt about the whole shooting thing, but lead achieves the same end result at significantly lower cost Firstly, pests encroach human territories. For example, the possum. It was brought to NZ, kills native animals, etc. A lot like humans (practically a pest to the whole world), only on a much smaller scale. And pests are often prolific breeders, and as long as they're not in danger of extinction, I have no problem with their extermination in controlled places. missed my point: people get all concerned as soon as a 'pet' animal is concerned, but couldn't care less about a pest example: westerners find eating cats/dogs offensive and dislike asians who eat cats/dogs but discriminate against other animals like cows which we eat - meanwhile hindu believe cows to be sacred. do westerners care what the hindu people think of us for eating cattle? no: so why should we expect asians to care about us disaproving of their diet? - ie a double standard (to be fair i think farming ANY carnivorous animal is a bloody stupid idea from a sustainability point of view) Secondly, who/what gave you the idea I'm one of those extreme animal-rights kinda guy? I know animals are lucky they can be put down humanely when their health or living conditions compromises their right to a decently comfortable life. i didn't assume you to be so, it seemed more like you're getting all fussed because the idea of euthanasia rather than "healing" was too unbearable to consider It's just that the way you put it, how you said 'they're still animals' that kinda rustled my shoes. Pretty obvious you've never had a dog. You know, they're called companion animals for a very good and literal reason. one of my best friends happens to be my border collie boxer cross named Bruce. had him since I was 8. he's getting old now and while the family knows it's going to be hard but he will have to be put down in a few more years. we don't own a gun, so a vet will likely do the deed - but i wouldn't be concerned either way provided it's quick and painless. dog before that got run over by a car. and yes, they are still animals. between a human stranger and my dog i'd like to think i'd save the human first Ah, so now we're comparing humans to nature? no, just referring to how farm animals are slaughtered makes a shooting seem kind. - ie another double standard	motorbyclist (188)
682698	2008-06-29 13:57:00	qazwsxokmijn (www.pressf1.co.nz) Based on your attitude I would bring either of my pets to you for treatment any day should you decide to qualify and I hope you go for it. If I found a cat or dog with injuries on the side of the road I would take the pet in and help if I could. If I found a human in the same state and did the same thing I think that the human may leave with some property I own. Fortunately pets just do not do that thieving for now. Cows and Sheep are different of course as they are not pets as I understand the terminology. This apart from pet lambs or calves for example. You may, as a Vet, have to put healthy pets down which could upset you.	Sweep (90)
682699	2008-06-29 13:59:00	again, harsh realities if one had a gun, and was prepared to use it, i'd hope they'd know how to use it - typical/common example would be a farmer . in a suburb using a gun would be downright dangerous and likely to attract attention . so take my statement with the assumption that it is done correctly . sure i may be blunt about the whole shooting thing, but lead achieves the same end result at significantly lower cost Cool, we got the first misunderstanding sorted . But I just don't like the whole bullet thing, sorry . Sure, I might reluctantly agree with it as a last resort, but other than that, I can't shoot a companion animal with a gun . Just can't . missed my point: people get all concerned as soon as a 'pet' animal is concerned, but couldn't care less about a pest A pet is usually a companion animal, domesticated from the wild to become a 'companion', thus giving them that name . I wouldn't call the possum at my local park my pet, now would I? And as I said earlier, as long as their extermination doesn't warrant their extinction, I have absolutely no problem . example: westerners find eating cats/dogs offensive and dislike asians who eat cats/dogs but discriminate against other animals like cows which we eat - meanwhile hindu believe cows to be sacred . do westerners care what the hindu people think of us for eating cattle? no: so why should we expect asians to care about us disaproving of their diet? - ie a double standard I'm an Asian and I'm completely against the consumption of any companion or exotic/wild animals, ie dogs/cats/tigers/elephants/monkeys . I eat cows, chickens etc because they are bred to become food and by law, they are to be killed humanely, although that's not always the case . i didn't assume you to be so, it seemed more like you're getting all fussed because the idea of euthanasia rather than "healing" was too unbearable to consider I'm a supporter of the human euthanasia thing, so I have no problem with animal euthanasia as a last resort . What I don't like and like to make a fuss of is the whole people-don't-desex-their-pets thing, because when your pussy or pooch makes a whole lot of other pussies and pooches, not all can find homes and many have to be put down . That, in my eyes, are lives that should not have been brought to this world and the fact that they have to be put down for it makes me sad . between a human stranger and my dog i'd like to think i'd save the human first Well, I guess that's where we're different . no, just referring to how farm animals are slaughtered makes a shooting seem kind . - ie another double standard Well, if a farmer follows the law slaughtering should be quick and painless . . . . breaking a neck usually instantly severe the nerves and so they die pretty quick and without pain . Shooting should only be a done as a last resort and by someone who knows exactly where to shoot .	qazwsxokmijn (102)
682700	2008-06-29 14:13:00	Yeah, me too. But it can be hard to know which ones are authentic and actually does what it should. Last time I took some Chinese herbal stuff (about 9 years ago) I turned from a skeleton to a balloon in 2 years and remained that way until a year ago. I say one has to be extremely cautious when taking Chinese medicine these days, especially if they're new to the field. I'm Chinese myself, and I don't trust many of my country's products. There are many rip-off and counterfeit medicines made by China that either does nothing or even harm you. If you want Chinese medicine, you'd probably need to see some kind of professional or 70+ year old Chinese grandmothers. They seem to know best (my grandmother was the one to suggest that smelly herbal thing I took 9 years ago). You actually need a licence in hong kong.hehe.I certainly won't see a random chinese herbal doctor in nz. There are a alot of chinese herbal doctors in hk.Some works .Some don't You have to see to find out if he or she is a good doctor	Ninjabear (2948)
682701	2008-06-29 14:41:00	Cool, we got the first misunderstanding sorted . But I just don't like the whole bullet thing, sorry . Sure, I might reluctantly agree with it as a last resort, but other than that, I can't shoot a companion animal with a gun . Just can't . fair enough A pet is usually a companion animal, domesticated from the wild to become a 'companion', thus giving them that name . I wouldn't call the possum at my local park my pet, now would I? And as I said earlier, as long as their extermination doesn't warrant their extinction, I have absolutely no problem . killing a pet (usually) won't warrant an extinction either I'm an Asian and I'm completely against the consumption of any companion or exotic/wild animals, ie dogs/cats/tigers/elephants/monkeys . I eat cows, chickens etc because they are bred to become food and by law, they are to be killed humanely, although that's not always the case . ask any vego and they'll start raving on about all sorts!:thumbs: I'm a supporter of the human euthanasia thing, so I have no problem with animal euthanasia as a last resort . What I don't like and like to make a fuss of is the whole people-don't-desex-their-pets thing, because when your pussy or pooch makes a whole lot of other pussies and pooches, not all can find homes and many have to be put down . That, in my eyes, are lives that should not have been brought to this world and the fact that they have to be put down for it makes me sad . 100% agree with that same reason my family always gets pets from homes/SPCA rather than a pet store - why let those 'accidental' animals die/suffer in favour of ones bred to meet demand? Well, if a farmer follows the law slaughtering should be quick and painless . . . . breaking a neck usually instantly severe the nerves and so they die pretty quick and without pain . Shooting should only be a done as a last resort and by someone who knows exactly where to shoot . agree with that too couple if times now we've (including the dog;)) taken rabbits/rats etc from our cats just to put the things out of their misery . . . usually by axe, but quick/painless nonetheless . not going to bring the broken/bleeding thing in to a vet for an injection . (and yes chickens do run around headless, and true free range chook is bloody tough & stringy!:yuck:)	motorbyclist (188)
682702	2008-06-29 14:42:00	and yes, they are still animals. between a human stranger and my dog i'd like to think i'd save the human first Well, I guess that's where we're different. you'll make a good vet then:)	motorbyclist (188)
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