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Thread ID: 145534	2017-11-26 18:46:00	Ethernet Cables	Brucem (8688)	Press F1

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1442615	2017-11-27 04:44:00	No need to strip anything, in fact you really shouldn't. These are called IPC or insulation displacement connectors. The connector has a sharp edge that cuts through the insulation and into the wire slightly. If done correctly even air is excluded from the joint. You can use a small flat bladed screwdriver but that is very Bodgy and may damage the connector or just make a bad connection. Slightly less bodgy :p is using a krone tool as pictured by Wainuitech but I don't think that's actually the correct tool either, the ethernet connector in the picture and the ones I've seen are not krone connectors. I've seen these tools advertised and sold for that purpose and I know they work, but Ideally you should use a connector and tool designed for each other. Unfortunately the real ones cost a fortune, mine looked like this www.ebay.com but again that's for a specific connector type and they are not all the same. And apologies to Wainui if I have it wrong, maybe some of the RJ45 sockets are meant to use that tool - there are a lot of manufacturers and I've been out of the the install game for 10 years now. This may help and it's how I do it www.youtube.com	dugimodo (138)
1442616	2017-11-27 05:10:00	Was meant to be IDC above not IPC. Also did some research, found out there are now hybrid connections that use either tool and how to tell the difference. Informative video here, info on blocks and how to tell which is which starts at 15 min www.youtube.com	dugimodo (138)
1442617	2017-11-27 05:28:00	And apologies to Wainui if I have it wrong, maybe some of the RJ45 sockets are meant to use that tool - there are a lot of manufacturers and I've been out of the the install game for 10 years now. Have a look at the link of the video I posted, www.thatcable.com Its the exact same tool, been using it for years, hence the wire cutting function is a little blunt and doesn't work as well as it used to. They are designed for connecting the wires into the jacks. RJ45 are completely different tools, they are these www.thatcable.com Mine aren't quite that flash, The ones shown have move safety shields but do the same job. Trust me the cutting blade damn well hurts when you slice your finger :crying Been there -done that (more than once).	wainuitech (129)
1442618	2017-11-27 18:08:00	The socket is also RJ45 and is what I was talking about, not the plug. I also have one of those tools. The plug you showed a photo of is probably a hybrid and I didn't know those existed, but it is not a krone connector which is what that tool was originally designed for. The Video link I most recently posted explains it all and how to tell the difference but here's what I was getting at. You showed a picture of a krone tool, we used to use those in the telco industry (still do) for phone jacks and cable termination blocks in exchanges and cabinets. When ethernet first started to take off here all the sockets and patch panels we sourced to install used the american 110 tool - a krone tool will not even go in. That was my experience and why I thought you had the wrong tool. Watching the Video above that I linked it turns out there are krone versions used mainly in the UK and 110 versions used mainly in the US and the tools do not work on each other. But since I stopped working on them they have now developed hybrid connectors that work with both tools and that's likely what is now being used here. It still does not look like a krone connection but if the tool works at all it has to be either krone or the hybrid. I used a krone tool for more than 20 years and never once cut my finger, that's a talent you have right there :)	dugimodo (138)
1442619	2017-11-27 19:18:00	I used a krone tool for more than 20 years and never once cut my finger, that's a talent you have right there :) Did you even bother to look at the links ?? The tool, A krone tool, also known as a punch down tool Google pictures and you'll see. ITS THE SAME THING. Go to this site www.ebay.com Watch how its used. Dont know what you are talking about but the plugs are RJ45 and using a krone tool, again different, some call the connectors RJ45 sockets but that's not their common name. They are normally called Krone Connector or Keystone jacks, Again same thing called different names -- Google it you'll see I'm right. And the tools -- I said I cut fingers on the Crimping tool, Which you would have seen in the links provided,not a punchdown tool. It was easy, the safety latch came undone or I hadn't clipped it correctly, reach into the box where it was and the exposed blade cut finger as it was in the open position. Just to prove it here is the tool with the safety off. 8461 It is very easy to cut fingers if its open. More newer tools have better safety protection covers.	wainuitech (129)
1442620	2017-11-28 01:23:00	This is getting a little serious feeling. I was just poking a little fun originally :p I looked at your links, did you look at mine? As they explain there are 3 types of connectors and I only had experience with the US version which is what the one you posted most closely resembles. I'm going to assume it's a hybrid as it is clearly not a krone connector but the tool would not work at all with an 110 socket - go ahead and watch the video I linked if you don't believe me. I just mistook that you were talking about the krone tool and cutting your finger, I get where you are coming from now. I never cut myself on one of those either :p I never used that cutting blade though, I just used my side cutters. Done so many my fingers seem to know how to do it with out any conscious thought on my part. You need a decent pair of side cutters with shearing blades though, not those horrible things i see in cheap tool kits. RJ45 is a standard that describes both the plug and the socket. I would also call the tool for the crimping the plug an RJ45 tool like you did, but earlier I was referring to the socket being an RJ45 not the tool that you use to connect the wires to it. Using different terminology is a common issue between those with a telco background like myself and those from an IT background that I've been running into for years. I've used all the tools you linked extensively but I just have used them in a different environment with different names for things. In the companies I worked for krone tools were used for 10 way krone blocks and phone jacks, The US 110 tool I mentioned was used for patch panels and RJ45 sockets on wall plates. There was never any cross over between the two. I have never came across anyone calling an RJ45 socket a krone connector before but if you say that's common in the IT industry I will take your word for it. I asked a couple people here out of curiosity and was met with confusion, there's nothing we would call a krone connector as such. When I think about it now it's easy to see that telcos just pick a standard and stick with it, so I only ever saw the connectors & tools they decided on. I never even knew a krone version of an RJ45 socket existed until today, and I've done thousands of them (I used to install 2mbps circuits into businesses for many years). Here's an example of different usage - the guy in the Video didn't know what the flat bladed attachment on a krone tool was for. Whatever people use it for now it's original use pre dates ethernet, 10 way krone blocks clip onto stainless steel back mounts and the flat blat is for releasing them so you can get them back off the mount. Krone changed to a rail mount system many years ago but some telcos have persisted with the old style mounting system so they are still available and the tools still have the attachment. You'd be hard pressed to find them in use very much outside of the telco industry where the blocks are used to terminate copper cables in cabinets and exchanges.	dugimodo (138)
1442621	2017-11-28 02:11:00	We are basically talking about the same things. Different people call certain items by different names, just depends on how a person is taught. I "did" have a good quality crimping tool once, but left it on a job by mistake, and at the time couldn't remember which job. :( Anyway Back on topic, Bruces problem could be either a faulty Jack (or what ever name whom ever wishes to call it) OR some other problem like the wires not seating correctly. Only Bruce can answer that by suppliyng what has been tried and the results.	wainuitech (129)
1442622	2017-11-28 03:43:00	Thanks for everyone's help, I cut a short Ethernet cable in half, plugged this into the ends of the main cable , stripped the wires and tested for continuity. some wires were OK, some were not, and some were only OK when pressure from the crude punch down tool was maintained. I went out and bought a 'Pro'sKit' 8PK-31141A ($29). Everything works now, all I have to do now is get into the ceiling and place it. Once again thanks.	Brucem (8688)
1442623	2017-11-28 05:33:00	The tool, A krone tool, also known as a punch down tool Google pictures and you'll see. ITS THE SAME THING. . I still have mine. When I worked for Akld Uni, doing back end networks, I had to pass the Krone course, we used Krone fittings and it was part of the warranty....a qualified installer. we got given a Krone tool like this. Wainiuitech is quite correct, just the punch down tool. Husband has one too, but his is a phone one, for jackpoints, which he go way back when he was at NZPO.	pctek (84)
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