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Thread ID: 145614	2017-12-17 20:59:00	Win10 Is a nmassive piece of s***	pctek (84)	PC World Chat

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1443595	2017-12-25 21:32:00	So far there's only ONE person that stands out, B.M. Stated his dislike for Windows 10 and he did something, changed to Linux. My Hat off to him for actually doing something he believed in, the rest just cry a river with complaints. :crying He's not the only one. I too, have become very unimpressed with Microsoft's backwardisation of the user experience in Windows 8+ Everything's been dumbed down, and instead of useful error messages as there were in Windows XP, it's just useless, patronising crap: "We're sorry, but something went wrong." Well thanks Microsoft, now how about you give me an actual error code I can look up and find out WHAT went wrong? :badpc: I'm running Xubuntu as my primary OS now, Windows 7 is installed as secondary (Used to be the other way around), and almost solely for the purpose of running games or other software that do not work in Wine. With the new amdgpu drivers my R270x runs well, and I actually get fan speed control (through a bash script) - in Windows, the fan control settings seem to have vanished with the switch to "Crimson" (or it's hidden once again behind some obscure subset of an 'advanced' control page). Sure, I've had my fair share of problems on Linux, but no more than I've had on Windows or anything else... At least I don't have to wade through layers upon layers of "advanced settings" obfuscation to find the system logs. Linux might receive updates more often than Windows, but so what? The upgrade process is far, far simpler. The files are downloaded and unpacked over the old versions, and then you reboot IF there was a kernel upgrade. There's no two-part (or sometimes three-part) reboot with "Configuring Updates" for an eternity, as happens often on Windows. I do agree that software is a limiting factor, especially things like Photoshop. Some versions of PS will run in Wine, but Wine does not work with everything. This is indeed a problem for some people. LibreOffice is great (for me) but won't impress everyone. This situation does seem to be improving, however. Many popular programs are cross-platform already. Steam and a huge increase of Linux-supporting games seem to be helping. I've recently discovered a newly developed program "FSearch" which works very similarly to "Everything" on Windows. It's not as good (yet), but it's far better than anything else available, in my opinion. On the other hand, driver support in Linux is much nicer than Windows. Unlike in Windows, hardware support on Linux never really goes away. Once something is supported, it's supported. It doesn't get dumped for no good reason. I can run a mid-90s Epson laser printer on Linux today. But I can't run it on anything higher than Windows XP 32-bit. I'm happy I switched to Linux. Yes, it does require learning new things. Yes, you may need to use the command line sometimes (or often, if you're someone like me) - and before anyone complains about that, remember that humanity managed to survive through MS-DOS without dying, and that PowerShell exists. And there's dozens of GUIs available for Linux, so it's not as if you're forced to use nothing but CLI (though unlike Windows, you could if you wanted to!) Yes, it's different. But not in a bad way. I do still need to boot Windows occasionally, (most recent example was needing to use the official SD association re-formatting tool) - but here's to hoping such requirements will eventually pass. I'll still fix other people's machines with Windows 10 if they want me to, but I'm pretty damn sure I won't ever run it myself. And in any case... if Windows 10 is so great, why does Windows 7 market share still outrank Windows 8/8.1/10 combined? Hmmm....(www.netmarketshare.com 22%3A%5B%7B%22deviceType%22%3A%7B%22%24in%22%3A%5B %22Desktop%2Flaptop%22%5D%7D%7D%5D%7D%2C%22dateLab el%22%3A%22Custom%22%2C%22attributes%22%3A%22share %22%2C%22group%22%3A%22platformVersion%22%2C%22sor t%22%3A%7B%22share%22%3A-1%7D%2C%22id%22%3A%22platformsDesktopVersions%22%2 C%22dateInterval%22%3A%22Monthly%22%2C%22dateStart %22%3A%222017-11%22%2C%22dateEnd%22%3A%222017-11%22%2C%22plotKeys%22%3A%5B%7B%22platformVersion% 22%3A%22Linux%22%7D%5D%2C%22segments%22%3A%22-1000%22%7D)	Agent_24 (57)
1443596	2017-12-25 21:38:00	Another reason (that I have mentioned before) to got to W10 is that this will be Microsoft's last OS, (just small upgrades to it.) Therefore if you or a friend buy a new PC or Laptop it will have W10 on it. So the sooner you get up to speed on it, the better. What if a friend needs some help from you? If we are all on the same OS it makes support and helping each other much easier. By the same logic, everyone should switch to Linux :p	Agent_24 (57)
1443597	2017-12-26 00:30:00	I like Linux, but I consider it an enthusiast OS for those who want to learn it. My main PC is windows because I'm a gamer and no matter how much progress Linux has made it's still a poor second cousin when it comes to gaming. Another thing is support for less common things. Sometimes Linux beats windows in this regard, but other times it fails miserably. Case in point, I tried to make a Linux based media PC for the lounge. That's the perfect application for it right? Sure if you only want to play back media files - but if you want to add a TV tuner and Blu-Ray playback... let's just say I paid for another copy of windows after a week of attempting to make that work. And the other point is, if you are using an OS on a daily basis it's easier to stick with it on all your devices than to use multiple different ones. So for me because my gaming PC is sticking with windows for the foreseeable future so is everything else. I am considering moving my non gaming PCs to Linux as they get replaced though, my latest experience with Fedora, MINT, and Ubuntu have been quite rewarding. Fedora even seems to have sorted out the video glitches I've always experienced in Linux when playing back video or scrolling websites - and that has been absolutely every version of Linux I've seen up until now BTW, I put it down to poor hardware acceleration support on intel and Nvidia GPUs. I haven't tried with AMD.	dugimodo (138)
1443598	2017-12-26 05:37:00	I like Linux too - but as a wise man said to me once; "Linux for servers, Windows for your desktop and Apple is too expensive for what you get", and by and large I think that's true. I have a win10 machine, which does most of the work. It's able to work with my linux server (Proxmox Hypervisor - Debian 9) using samba or sftp and that's a great backup! Like one of your NAS's on steroids. I don't mind Win 10 at all (despite my facetious comments earlier). I bought a MacBookPro about a year ago; it's fine, but Apple are even worse than MicroSoft at slimy marketing. In fairness the interface is pretty and the command line interface when working with my mighty linux server, is good. But, why buy a Mac when Win10 (or 7 etc) will do what what you want. I don't know? really what suits individual needs I suppose.	jcr1 (893)
1443599	2017-12-26 10:17:00	The War of the Operating Systems is beginning to look like the religous wars of the 15th & 16th centuries - we haven't got round to burnings at the stake yet, but if ISIS decides to take sides, then watch out! But to me this isn't about whether Windows is better than Linux (or vice versa), or whether Windows 10 is the one true OS to lead them all, but it is rather about the relationship that exists between suppliers and their customers. This is at the heart of much of the unease that is felt about the effects of our modern high-tech society. What aggravates many people about Win10 is the way Microsoft appears to have dropped the facade of "We have a new product, would you like to use it?" and replaced it with "This is it, we know what's good for you, stop complaining". It's not only Microsoft, of course, modern technology has put the manufacturers and merchants in charge, and corporations no longer have to worry about the customer always being right. When pctek/piroska writes off Win10 as a massive piece of s***, I disagree, but boy! I can understand the feeling! Making Win10 a product that continually evolves instead of bringing out new "versions" to be purchased every couple of years might seem like a smart way forward, but that is not the experience so far of many people. Windows is a complicated system that can do many things, so when you install it you want to get familiar with how it works so that you can get on with whatever you are doing. But when you encounter what seem to be arbitrary changes that force you to learn new ways of doing what you have always done, frustration can soon grow. You don't know what changes have been made or why, and you must search through layers of arcane menus and sub-menus to find what you need, or just blunder around "trying things" to see if you can make it work. If you enjoy mucking around with computers (presumably most people in this forum would seem to be in that category, or why would you be here?) that could seem like fun, but the range of anti-Win10 views expressed suggests otherwise. Personally, I think on balance that Win10 is an advance, and I have no hankering to go back to earlier versions or try other systems such as Linux (which I found to be a complete dog, but I don't mind if others disagree), but this opinion is not unqualified. Many have particular grouches about Win10, and here are a couple of mine. The first is trivial: we all know how to make shortcuts to particular apps, and you can make shortcuts to particular web addresses as well. Just right-click on the desktop and type in the IP address. You can then change the icon to something meaningful for your particular needs and Bob's your uncle - or he was. Now it's a bit different - type in an IP address and you get a shortcut to the website, but you can't change the icon, it's not an ordinary shortcut at all. The solution is simple - you can pop the link you have just made into a folder somewhere and then make a shortcut to the link on your desktop or whatever. Now you can play with icons to your heart's content - but why the difference? Now you have to make a shortcut to a shortcut to do what once could be done in a single step. Progress? The other grouch is a bit more annoying, and concerns "zombie" updates. I have the Home & Student version of Office 10 installed, but I also use Microsoft Access for some database applications not important enough to shell out more money for a subscription to Office 360. Before I retired I used Access 2000 which formed part of Office XP and unfortunately a copy must have accidentally fallen into my bag when I left. This version of Access works fine with WinXP, 7, 8, 8.1 and 10, and does all I need of it. But after the recent Creator's Update I started getting updates for Office XP versions of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Sharepoint and Access, none of which I wanted and none of which would install. Microsoft was very polite about it and said it "would try again later", and it did and it failed again. When I went to the web page where MS said I could get more information about the error, I was told that these updates were no longer available. So why were they being pushed to me? They don't exist, which is why they won't install, they are zombies lurching around the internet trying to get into my computer. The solution is, once again, simple - just untick the box on the updates page that offers updates "for other Microsoft products". But why do I have to lock my door to keep out an army of zombies that should have been stopped back at the cemetery where they are buried? And of course this also blocks any updates to Office 10. These are the sorts of things get people annoyed and frustrated with Win10. As wainuitech says, many of the frustrations can be worked through with a deeper understanding of how Windows works, but the point of using a computer is not to understand the operating system but to accomplish some task that is better done by the computer. This seems to be something that Microsoft has forgotten.	Jayess64 (8703)
1443600	2017-12-26 18:52:00	I'll amend my statement slightly. My sons version of Win 10 is a massive piece of s***. My brothers is much better. He has an old version...very, very old. No upgrades, no updates. And it leaves him alone, no nag screens, no inability to remove things you don't want etc. He is on the wifi broadband plan, no VDSl, no fibre there, so data limits matter a lot. He had let it initially, now is's stopped because it just chewed through it in no time. he does not watch online movies etc nor play games, so was pretty upset about it.... Now all is good with his. Pity MS have to eliminate that sort of thing...but of course it's all about control and profits really.	piroska (17583)
1443601	2017-12-26 20:54:00	Win 10% has to be massive, there's a devil of a lot of lipstick on that pig and lots more to come.	R2x1 (4628)
1443602	2017-12-27 21:00:00	So far there's only ONE person that stands out, B . M . Stated his dislike for Windows 10 and he did something, changed to Linux . My Hat off to him for actually doing something he believed in, the rest just cry a river with complaints . :crying Well thank you Wainui, but the decision wasn’t very difficult . The fact of the matter is I’m not into pain, and whilst we have a collection of "Microsoft Masochists" on this Forum who enjoy Win 10 I’m not one of them . The launch of Win 10 was the equivalent of going to the Baker for a loaf of bread and him delivering it half cooked . What the hell does one do with a half cooked loaf of bread? Anyway, each to their own and if the pain of trying to get Windows 10 to operate correctly spins your wheels, then go for it . However, for those of us who have better things to do with our time than tear our hair out trying to overcome some problem that we shouldn’t have encountered in the first place, the answer is to kick Win 10 into touch and go to another Baker who sells his bread cooked . To this end about 12 Months ago I started a Thread seeking the best advice on selecting a Linux OS . Quite a few suggestions were forthcoming but I selected Linux – Mint – Cinnamon – Sarah, only because that seemed to be GUI orientated, like Windows, as opposed to Command Line like DOS . The bottom line was it just worked, I didn’t even have to go hunting for Printer Drivers, Camera Drivers and so on . You get Libre Office with it which covers Microsoft Office so you can work with all you MS Office files and an awful lot of other Microsoft Programmes work just fine courtesy of addon’s called Wine and Winetricks . As an example of Libre Office compatibility . I have some quite complicated Excel Spreadsheets that include Macro’s and Internet lookup data . Saving them to the ODS format of Libre Office doesn’t seem possible, but you can open them and alter things as long as you save everything back as XLS which is allowed . That’s fine by me because I don’t care what the type of file is as long as it works . Moving onto dealing with Windows 10 . I have a Laptop running Win 10 which I only use when travelling overseas . Now the reason I have never changed that to Linux is that I have a number of programmes that are peculiar to different Companies . As an example Telstra in Aus with their various Internet and “T” stick drivers . Now I’m not saying they can’t be made to work on Linux, it is just that whilst on holiday I have never had the inclination to do battle with the Telstra Help Desk which I can assure you is a thoroughly forgettable experience . So what did I do to address the excruciating pain that Win 10 was inflicting on me? Well first I installed “Classic Shell” which put things back where I could find them . Then I reinstalled and ran CCleaner, which a Win update had completely removed . This lead me to, as I recall, 19 new applications I had no use for (Windows Store – Weather – News etc) which I completely uninstalled (not just removed from the menu) . Did a registry clean with CCleaner and normal transmission seems to have been restored . Finally, I’ve installed the same Linux programme as mine on a couple of mates computers who only want to browse the internet, get their e-mails, talk on Skype to relatives and friends and a few other basic things and they have had no trouble with Linux and are as happy as a dog with two tails . But for all the “Microsoft Win10 Masochists”, “May the Pain be with You” . :)	B.M. (505)
1443603	2017-12-28 03:26:00	I selected Linux – Mint – Cinnamon – Sarah The bottom line was it just worked, I didn’t even have to go hunting for Printer Drivers, Camera Drivers and so on . Awesome, I'll keep that in mind for when I swap over .	piroska (17583)
1443604	2017-12-28 03:38:00	Windows 10 causes me no pain so the Masochist label doesn't fit. In fact what pain there was belongs to windows 8 when I first adopted it, 10 just worked for me and continues to do so. I'm not trying to convince anyone to like or use windows 10 when I defend it. Personal preference is a good reason to ditch it and use something else and I totally support that. Linux can be just as painful at first but both OSes tend be be stable and painless once you get used to them and get them set up to your liking. Why I find myself arguing on windows behalf is to add some balance because so many arguments I see about how terrible it is really translate to "I don't like it so therefore it's a terrible product" which isn't necessarily a fair argument or representative of every user experience. I'm sure you've given some good reasons for your preference, I don't remember what they were or want to rehash them again but I accept that you have them. I use both and I prefer Windows.	dugimodo (138)
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