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Thread ID: 91335	2008-07-03 13:28:00	Any excuse to not work	Sweep (90)	PC World Chat

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684955	2008-07-03 13:28:00	home.nzcity.co.nz I would think that the Beehive will not be open today. Time people actually did a protest in my opinion. Aunty Helen has done so in the past and so should the rest of us.	Sweep (90)
684956	2008-07-03 13:31:00	Look at those figures at the end of the story, how can they keep a straight face talking that sh*t?	rob_on_guitar (4196)
684957	2008-07-03 19:22:00	Look at those figures at the end of the story, how can they keep a straight face talking that sh*t? Well how would you make it fair on taxes regarding fuel assuming the figures are correct which I could doubt as the treasury and or government has had the figures wrong in the past? You would have to think about farmers who use diesel to run tractors and these tractors spend most time on the farm and therefore do not use the roads. They also use diesel to power generators/tractors which drive pumps for irrigation or getting rid of excrement from cow sheds for example. Then think about a person who may have a boat and pays for the outboard petrol. Why should that person have to pay a tax for using the said boat on water? Fair enough if I have a petrol driven car to tow a boat on a trailer then I should pay the going rate. Once the boat is on the water why would I pay a tax designed to improve roads? And also some people do not think about the costs that will be handed down to all at the local shopping centres for example. Others do not think about owner operators who signed up for a contract to transport goods for a fixed price and period then fuel prices go through the roof and now the RUC goes up as well without warning. Say I was a tourist bus operator and spent money on brochures advertising a price for a particular route and destination. The people may have booked in advance but I would have to honour my quote I think even though I would be faced with extra costs as a result of extra in road user charges. Just a few thoughts there and I am not trying to get personal about this at all. I also very much suspect that the extra 7% collected in the way of road user charges would not actually be applied toward improvement in the roads. It may be time to put tolls on roads so that those who actually use them have to pay a fee of some sort. Then again we can not be sure that the revenue derived would improve the roads. The money just may be dropped into the usual fund and go toward something else like claims or trips for politicians. Just my ten cents worth as this would the smallest coin I could spend.	Sweep (90)
684958	2008-07-03 19:46:00	And also this:- tvnz.co.nz Along with this report as well. www.radionz.co.nz There may be a rethink somewhere. People power can help possibly.	Sweep (90)
684959	2008-07-03 19:59:00	No, I was thinking how the politician can keep a straight face with those tax numbers! Holy crap i didnt realise they were so high!	rob_on_guitar (4196)
684960	2008-07-03 20:42:00	Quote from the NZCity article: Ms Fitzsimons wants truck drivers to pay more to use the roads, claiming they are being subsidised too much. She says truckies only pay 56 percent of their costs to the economy, while ordinary motorists pay 64 percent and rail freight users pay 82 percent. She says it is time to price transport on a level playing field. Why does the application of a 'level playing field' necessarily mean an increase for one group? Surely the same could be achieved with a reduction for the other groups??? oops! Silly me, Too sensible for a politician to grasp....	johcar (6283)
684961	2008-07-03 21:29:00	No, I was thinking how the politician can keep a straight face with those tax numbers! Holy crap i didnt realise they were so high! That being the case,what does it say for the likes of ZWERT wanting them back in??	Cicero (40)
684962	2008-07-03 22:00:00	Sweep: As I understand it, farmers, boaties and other people who do not use their fuel on road vehicles are able to claim a rebate on the RUC and other road user taxes. The following is from the Land Transport site: Refunds of road user charges may be paid in certain circumstances - for example: * when a vehicle is destroyed, exported, permanently taken off the road and its registration is cancelled * when the licence details are incorrect * if the vehicle will be used wholly or partly for off-road travel * if you have an unused distance licence. So farmers and boaties are exempt.	Roscoe (6288)
684963	2008-07-03 22:45:00	boats don't pay RUC anyway, there don't drive on the road ;) you can claim back RUC for offroad use but you require log books and prefable GPS mapping to prove you where off road. for most people not with the hassle of running log books or the expence of GPS gear.	tweak'e (69)
684964	2008-07-03 23:06:00	Well how would you make it fair on taxes regarding fuel assuming the figures are correct which I could doubt as the treasury and or government has had the figures wrong in the past? You would have to think about farmers who use diesel to run tractors and these tractors spend most time on the farm and therefore do not use the roads. They also use diesel to power generators/tractors which drive pumps for irrigation or getting rid of excrement from cow sheds for example. Then think about a person who may have a boat and pays for the outboard petrol. Why should that person have to pay a tax for using the said boat on water? Fair enough if I have a petrol driven car to tow a boat on a trailer then I should pay the going rate. Once the boat is on the water why would I pay a tax designed to improve roads? And also some people do not think about the costs that will be handed down to all at the local shopping centres for example. Others do not think about owner operators who signed up for a contract to transport goods for a fixed price and period then fuel prices go through the roof and now the RUC goes up as well without warning. Say I was a tourist bus operator and spent money on brochures advertising a price for a particular route and destination. The people may have booked in advance but I would have to honour my quote I think even though I would be faced with extra costs as a result of extra in road user charges. Just a few thoughts there and I am not trying to get personal about this at all. I also very much suspect that the extra 7% collected in the way of road user charges would not actually be applied toward improvement in the roads. It may be time to put tolls on roads so that those who actually use them have to pay a fee of some sort. Then again we can not be sure that the revenue derived would improve the roads. The money just may be dropped into the usual fund and go toward something else like claims or trips for politicians. Just my ten cents worth as this would the smallest coin I could spend. I agree sweep......	SolMiester (139)
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