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| Thread ID: 91305 | 2008-07-02 20:49:00 | Whats a good laptop for £400-500? | JOEJG (10295) | PC World Chat |
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| 684732 | 2008-07-03 21:28:00 | Macs are gay, please stop trying to convince me otherwise. I thought we may have been able to actually have a civilized conversation! But no. I give up. :happybday |
wratterus (105) | ||
| 684733 | 2008-07-03 21:38:00 | I say Saf,Mac prices are rather silly. I find it hard to convince my newbie types to fork out the extra. Unless of course they are in the money no oject class! |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 684734 | 2008-07-03 22:06:00 | I say Saf,Mac prices are rather silly. I find it hard to convince my newbie types to fork out the extra. Unless of course they are in the money no oject class! There is not really a huge difference in price Cicero when you consider the Mac is a complete package with monitor, video camera, speakers etc. |
Safari (3993) | ||
| 684735 | 2008-07-03 22:24:00 | There is not really a huge difference in price Cicero when you consider the Mac is a complete package with monitor, video camera, speakers etc. That didn't seem the case when I looked last. Will look again. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 684736 | 2008-07-03 22:28:00 | There is not really a huge difference in price Cicero when you consider the Mac is a complete package with monitor, video camera, speakers etc. Uhm, so are most higher end laptops and you can buy the add ons required for a desktop for under $100 |
wratterus (105) | ||
| 684737 | 2008-07-03 22:48:00 | That didn't seem the case when I looked last. Will look again. Have a look here www.magnummaconline.co.nz |
Safari (3993) | ||
| 684738 | 2008-07-04 02:56:00 | ...I would have to disagree with your opinion that they are "limited" which is why I noted the proficient user ability in my previous post. Its only if you lack proficiency that OS X is limited but then Windows would be limiting too. When was the last time you used a mac? Trust me, it's limited: Many of the basic utilities one would expect to be there on a BSD system are missing... ...especially common shell utilities There is no proper syslog There is no package manager The braindead window manager requires two clicks to access menus on non-focused windows, and lots of extra mouse milage (due to placing menus at the top of the screen) There is no launch menu (finder is slow, the dock has limited space, and browsing the filesystem for apps takes ages) Window behavior cannot be customised properly (zillions of missing options) As far as I'm aware there are no virtual desktops (although I may be mistaken about this one, as I haven't looked that hard for them) No breadcrumbs in the file manager path No decent editor Lack of applications (most apps are developed for Windows or Linux, and only a few of these are ported to OSX) Most apps for OSX aren't free (beer and speech) Inconsistant behavior in window control widgets Many common wifi config options are missing And that's just software. Now for the hardware: Very limited upgrade capability The monitor can't be used on the next system, you have to buy a new one No ability to add internal peripherals Lack of mouse buttons means rocker gestures can't be used No middle button = no middle-click paste ...and probably a lot more I don't rememeber right now! |
Erayd (23) | ||
| 684739 | 2008-07-04 03:02:00 | Free apps for OS X here http://mac.softpedia.com/ http://www.opensourcemac.org/ http://www.macupdate.com/ www.pure-mac.com www.versiontracker.com As for the rest of your argument - Id rather let a Mac admin respond since that is their field not mine although I can't say that I have had many issues finding commercial software for OS X, or for using it for that matter. For the mouse issue - just plug in a PC mouse if you don't like the Mac mouse, about 50% of Mac users do although it sounds like your issues are more gaming related. As for click and paste, I just use Control + mouse click then Command + V to paste which I find to be suitably fast enough. List of keyboardshort cuts here support.apple.com OS X has remote desktop here www.apple.com BBtext edit or Google one. I downloaded a couple just recently. Whats wrong with using external peripherals? unless you are referring graphics cards (there have been some updates from Nvidia recently) Often if you don't know something it helps to ask on a forum where people do like the Apple section of Slashdot which is FULL of Mac admins debating the ins and outs of what you can do in the Terminal and how its done etc rather than just assuming you can't do it (occassionally you might be right). Most of the more technical stuff I have learned over the years has been from reading discussions on Slashdot or Mac related articles on OS News which can get equally techincal. As for upgrade ability - overall Macs are designed for ease of use which for the iMac means limited upgradeability, for the Mac pro you have a bit more leeway. |
vitalstatistix (9182) | ||
| 684740 | 2008-07-04 03:34:00 | When was the last time you used a mac? Trust me, it's limited: Many of the basic utilities one would expect to be there on a BSD system are missing... ...especially common shell utilities There is no proper syslog There is no package manager The brain dead window manager requires two clicks to access menus on non-focused windows, and lots of extra mouse mileage (due to placing menus at the top of the screen) There is no launch menu (finder is slow, the dock has limited space, and browsing the file system for apps takes ages) Window behaviour cannot be customised properly (zillions of missing options) As far as I'm aware there are no virtual desktops (although I may be mistaken about this one, as I haven't looked that hard for them) No breadcrumbs in the file manager path No decent editor Lack of applications (most apps are developed for Windows or Linux, and only a few of these are ported to OSX) Most apps for OSX aren't free (beer and speech) Inconsistent behaviour in window control widgets Many common wifi config options are missing And that's just software. Now for the hardware: Very limited upgrade capability The monitor can't be used on the next system, you have to buy a new one No ability to add internal peripherals Lack of mouse buttons means rocker gestures can't be used No middle button = no middle-click paste ...and probably a lot more I don't remember right now! I await a Safari rebuttal. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 684741 | 2008-07-04 03:53:00 | Free apps for OS X here http://mac.softpedia.com/ http://www.opensourcemac.org/ http://www.macupdate.com/ www.pure-mac.com www.versiontracker.comMy point still stands - obviously there are a few free apps, but this in no way rebuts the argument I was making. As for the rest of your argument - Id rather let a Mac admin respond since that is their field not mine...Translation: you have run into someone who knows enough about macs that even you can see blind faith is useless here. Much of my argument concerned things that users such as yourself would deal with directly, not things only touched by an admin. Things that you should know. Things that, if you removed your blinkers, should be blindingly obvious when looked-for. ...although I can't say that I have had many issues finding commercial software for OS X, or for using it for that matter.Then you must have a very limited taste in software. Just because you personally have not experienced any issues with this does not mean the rest of the world will be as lucky. For the mouse issue - just plug in a PC mouse if you don't like the Mac mouse, about 50% of Mac users do...Oh I do. Religiously. The point I was trying to make is that the mac mouse is crap. It's even worse on mac notebooks, because there isn't always a surface to use an external mouse on, and you're stuck with the piece of crap onboard touchpad. Multitouch is *not* a substitute for a real button, especially when you're trying to click more than one at once. ...although it sounds like your issues are more gaming related.Where on earth did you pull this idea from? I am not, and never have been, a gamer. Everything I mentioned is stuff I come across in my day-to-day general computer usage. As for click and paste, I just use Control + mouse click then Command + V to paste which I find to be suitably fast enough.I prefer just selecting text to copy, and middle-click to paste. Macs are the only unix-based GUI system I've seen that don't support this behavior out of the box. List of keyboardshort cuts here support.apple.com shortcuts are no excuse for braindead windowing systems. They are there to make life easier for more advanced users who can be bothered learning how to use them. OS X has remote desktop here www.apple.com - every modern OS has this, and I didn't mention it in my argument. Virtual desktops (en.wikipedia.org) are a completely different thing, although after reading that wikipedia article it appears that Apple has finally added support for these in OSX 10.5. BBtext edit or Google one. I downloaded a couple just recently.One what? What exactly are you referring to here? Whats wrong with using external peripherals? unless you are referring graphics cards (there have been some updates from Nvidia recently)External peripheral interfaces are slow, particularly when you're trying to attach things like extra gigabit ethernet ports, non-esata drives, any kind of video interface, crypto accelerators etc. Often if you don't know something it helps to ask on a forum where people do like the Apple section of Slashdot which is FULL of Mac admins debating the ins and outs of what you can do in the Terminal and how its done etc rather than just assuming you can't do it (occassionally you might be right).Trust me when I say I probably know more about how to use a bash shell (which is what OSX uses as its terminal) than you do. If a common utility can't be found, that generally means it isn't there - OSX does not have a policy of renaming such things just to annoy people. I also do a certain amount of technical support for macs as part of my job... Most of the more technical stuff I have learned over the years has been from reading discussions on Slashdot or Mac related articles on OS News which can get equally techincal.Useful resources, but not exactly technical - you'd be better off with a library book, or a (proper) technical forum on the subject. As for upgrade ability - overall Macs are designed for ease of use which for the iMac means limited upgradeability, for the Mac pro you have a bit more leeway.Translation: you have no defense for the limited upgrade path, and are defending it by saying "but...but.... they're easy to use, so they don't *need* upgrading!" Please, believe me when I tell you that macs are far from the greatest thing since sliced bread. They have their good points, but for me at least these are far outweighed by their bad points. |
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