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Thread ID: 91335 2008-07-03 13:28:00 Any excuse to not work Sweep (90) PC World Chat
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684965 2008-07-03 23:39:00 Before the treaty was signed, the road user charges were quite modest. :o R2x1 (4628)
684966 2008-07-04 01:36:00 Sweep: As I understand it, farmers, boaties and other people who do not use their fuel on road vehicles are able to claim a rebate on the RUC and other road user taxes.

The following is from the Land Transport site:

Refunds of road user charges may be paid in certain circumstances - for example:

* when a vehicle is destroyed, exported, permanently taken off the road and its registration is cancelled
* when the licence details are incorrect
* if the vehicle will be used wholly or partly for off-road travel
* if you have an unused distance licence.

So farmers and boaties are exempt.

You missed my point completely I think. Petrol costs money part of which includes TAX which was meant to improve roads. So when I am out in the water with my outboard running on petrol why should I pay a TAX to improve the roads.

Not that the TAX is actually applied for the reason various Governments say it is imposed for. So I take my boat and pay a TAX on petrol and some of this tax is supposed to improve roads. Could you please explain why I pay a petrol tax for an outboard motor attached to a floating piece of equipment? After all I do not mind paying a tax but it may be unfair if I use some petrol on the outboard motor.

Note that a boat is not a vehicle as defined as most are not equipped
with wheels, rollers or tracks for example. There are some petrol vehicles that can be driven on the roads and also be turned into a boat when required. What would we do about hovercraft I wonder?

I admit that there are issues as to definitions but that is for Parliament and the lawyers to draft the laws so that some people can't get around the laws as they stand.

The way things are going it could happen that the likes of an RFID chip will be planted in your body and also every person will be rounded up and have to give a DNA sample.

Looks like 1984 came later than George Orwell thought it would but we could get there sooner or later.
en.wikipedia.org
Just in case others want a link.
Sweep (90)
684967 2008-07-04 01:46:00 So when I am out in the water with my outboard running on petrol why should I pay a TAX to improve the roads.

I think he got your point.

You don't pay tax if you claim a rebate. That's fairly simple.

What other solution do you have? If you could get untaxed petrol at the pump for boaties, I think everyone here would "buy" incredibly inefficient dinghies fairly quickly.
Thebananamonkey (7741)
684968 2008-07-04 04:33:00 Reported post.

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wratterus (105)
684969 2008-07-04 04:43:00 I think he got your point.

You don't pay tax if you claim a rebate. That's fairly simple.

I thought it was fairly simple.

Farmers and fishermen, in particular, claim these rebates. If you only use your boat now and then it may not be worth claiming.

When I had a business selling, among other things, petrol and diesel, everyone paid the pump price and then claimed a rebate. That has been the norm for at least the last 60 years.

And, of course, they often filled their cars with tax free fuel, but then there was nobody checking where the fuel went. Same today?
Roscoe (6288)
684970 2008-07-04 07:33:00 I think he got your point.

You don't pay tax if you claim a rebate. That's fairly simple.

What other solution do you have? If you could get untaxed petrol at the pump for boaties, I think everyone here would "buy" incredibly inefficient dinghies fairly quickly.

OK. How do I claim a rebate on petrol for off road use then? Could you point me to a form that would allow me to do so?

Today I took my car to work and around 28 Km of my journey was on a private road which of course is not maintained other than those people whom actually use the road.

My boss employs people to maintain the private road and I saw one filling in potholes today using a truck and trailer plus digger.

Back to definitions again I would think. And I might add there seem to be different interpretations as to what the laws mean and how they are applied. A road was defined as any place to where the public have access whether as a right or not and included fords, ferries among others for example.

I thank you for your opinion which is duly noted.
Sweep (90)
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