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| Thread ID: 91528 | 2008-07-10 02:03:00 | Ban Gangs? | Winston001 (3612) | PC World Chat |
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| 687222 | 2008-07-10 10:31:00 | Defining gang is the problem. Patches are only worn by full members, there are plenty of prospects and wannabes who join in but aren't patched. Its impossible so far as I know to attack gang criminality by trying to define gangs. A couple of decades ago the law made it an offence to associate with known criminals. Unfortunately this goes directly against the civil liberty of freedom of association and modern jurisdictions are loath to pass such laws. I don't know. May be we have reached the point where associating needs to be brought back. Or maybe its a law which is unenforceable - too many crims, not enough police. The ultimate answer is to make gang culture unattractive to youth. The most potent weapon for that is strong, good families and full employment. Ah well, we can but hope..... |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 687223 | 2008-07-10 11:13:00 | We could start by stopping the practise of brain washing some portions of our society to have a chip on their shoulder about white people and the jurisdiction of the government to govern. that is to say separatism and race based programs is having a massive negative influence on society. The path to hell is littered with good intentions. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 687224 | 2008-07-10 11:30:00 | Defining gang is the problem. Patches are only worn by full members, there are plenty of prospects and wannabes who join in but aren't patched. IIRC there was a gang around Foxton/Levin in the 90's that caused a lot of trouble until all of the leaders were jailed at the same time. The wannabes faded away. Instead of picking off the prospects and sending them to gang university maybe more effort should be put into cutting off the head wherever possible. |
PaulD (232) | ||
| 687225 | 2008-07-10 11:51:00 | I'm all for "gang members" wearing patches. That way we know exactly who they are, no second guessing. The majority of the motor bike gangs are actually clubs. I know same thing different name. Which will mean the biggest "club" of them all would be the Free Masons. |
plod (107) | ||
| 687226 | 2008-07-10 12:37:00 | IIRC there was a gang around Foxton/Levin in the 90's that caused a lot of trouble until all of the leaders were jailed at the same time. The wannabes faded away. Instead of picking off the prospects and sending them to gang university maybe more effort should be put into cutting off the head wherever possible. A literal implementation of this suggestion is preferred here... |
johcar (6283) | ||
| 687227 | 2008-07-10 19:41:00 | Look at that Islander gang wannabe on tv last night . He was found guilty of murder a fellow Tongan 2 years ago . There was no motive just the fact that we wanted to cause trouble . Just look at his face and you can tell he has an anger problem . His brother said he was not a bad person ! |
Digby (677) | ||
| 687228 | 2008-07-11 10:42:00 | Any thoughts on how the law could do this? At the moment anyone can join together with anyone else in our community and call themselves a club, team, group of mates . . . . . . Freedom of association meaning the right to mix with anyone you want, is a fundamental human right in a democracy . How do we outlaw gangs? Same old story Winston001 . You can ban anything but lawyers may find a way around whatever law is drafted . For me I would demolish headquarters of known gang members for example . Also there are laws against murder but a number of persons seem to just do that for their own reasons . The so called JUSTICE system is very slow to actually move in my opinion as it takes a long time to get to trial where the evidence may or may not be produced to get a conviction as I have seen recently . People congregate for various reasons but I would not consider setting fire to a church along the road even though I do not attend . It may be time for everyone to join neighbourhood watch or similar . It also may be time to teach parenting in schools so that we do not get gang members in the first place . There again there appears to be bullies in schools . A law means nothing unless enforced but due to the PC age you can't do that . This because if I see what is going on then I may break the law by using a boot on a tail end . |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 687229 | 2008-07-12 23:44:00 | We could start by stopping the practise of brain washing some portions of our society to have a chip on their shoulder about white people and the jurisdiction of the government to govern. that is to say separatism and race based programs is having a massive negative influence on society. The path to hell is littered with good intentions. Once again you are on to it Met,good common sense that I am fraid is not so common. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 687230 | 2008-07-13 10:01:00 | Consorting with known felons - an offence in some jurisdictions - why not in NZ, Of course any Law is as good as the policing and enforcement of it and the determination of Politicians and Judiciary to ensure the laws of the land are enforced. Its this latter aspect that any Consorting bans would sink. Some of us oldies remember an Inspector Gideon Tait who really started to sort gangs out in Auckland until the powers that be got cold feet and called him off. |
KenESmith (6287) | ||
| 687231 | 2008-07-13 19:53:00 | So true Ken,if only John Wayne had not died,he would have saved us. | Cicero (40) | ||
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