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Thread ID: 91528	2008-07-10 02:03:00	Ban Gangs?	Winston001 (3612)	PC World Chat

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687212	2008-07-10 05:22:00	The solution is to define the group in question by behaviour, that is to make it illegal for persons with more than two convictions for violence and/or sexual offending to gather together in a group. That wasy, criminals by definition could not form associations with other criminals, but such a law would leave other groups such as Rotary scouts etc etc etc free to carry on as they are, as long as they didn't have more than a set number of persons with serious criminal convictions as members. In fact we already have non association laws not unlike this now, although they may not be strong enough, but the real problem is the lack of political will to enforce them stringently (and for the judiciary to follow that up with sentences that take gang members out of circulation for a long time) Regards Peter Jenkins	laworder (12738)
687213	2008-07-10 05:26:00	No need for any new measures, There are already laws against crime, The people being pin-pointed have a life style reliant on crime. what's the problem?, Just arrest them for whatever crap they are currently doing, easy as. Hell, It blew my tiny little mind how after the shooting in Wanganui that got all the hype they raided all the gang houses, and then released statements about finding wanted people, weapons, drugs, stolen goods.... Well, **** me, who would have thought? It took the death of a child before they jumped on their little crime empire. They just need to continuously hound the places these guys frequent until those stupid enough to get caught are locked up, and those that don't want to be locked up stop preying on the community around them. And if the courts won't lock em up, arrest em again, and again and again until the message gets through. They know exactly who they are, where they live and how they make there money, The crap about banning gangs is an excuse to do nothing about the behaviour.	Metla (12)
687214	2008-07-10 05:28:00	Non-association orders are the biggest joke this side of the black stump.	Metla (12)
687215	2008-07-10 05:30:00	Have to agree with you there Metla The real problem is the government just do not want to enforce the existing laws harshly, it goes against their ideology Regards Peter Jenkins	laworder (12738)
687216	2008-07-10 05:44:00	Have to agree with you there Metla The real problem is the government just do not want to enforce the existing laws harshly, it goes against their ideology Regards Peter Jenkins The one you propose sounds horrific! Police state anyone? Maybe we should just go all the way and just become a fascist state. Then we could just kill all the maor... sorry, criminals at birth. I'm being a jerk, but that's where all that stuff is headed. Arrest people for crimes, not for having commited crimes in the past. Hell, construction sites wouldn't exist if what you suggest existed. Almost every labourer I've met has been in prison before. (BTW, I fully retract the maori comment above, just to make that excrutiatingly clear. I was making a point, not an opinion)	Thebananamonkey (7741)
687217	2008-07-10 06:07:00	Most gang members are known by the police due to repeat offending . Its pretty obvious to spot one . Shoot first, twice just to be sure!	rob_on_guitar (4196)
687218	2008-07-10 06:50:00	The one you propose sounds horrific! Police state anyone? Maybe we should just go all the way and just become a fascist state . Then we could just kill all the maor . . . sorry, criminals at birth . I'm being a jerk, but that's where all that stuff is headed . Arrest people for crimes, not for having commited crimes in the past . Hell, construction sites wouldn't exist if what you suggest existed . Almost every labourer I've met has been in prison before . Great strawman argument there Actually, as I said, it is not a hell of lot different from the existing non-association orders - and less stringent than laws that exist overseas Some of which are even enforced :clap And where did I say anything about putting gang members to death, popular as that might be with a lot of people Regards Peter Jenkins	laworder (12738)
687219	2008-07-10 07:29:00	The crap that gangs do will never stop unless the death penalty is in. May not deter them, but at least when they're caught, they will be stopped. Permanently. Oh, and the prospect of extreme torture may also deter them from robbing and killing. For those of you who vomits at the words 'death penalty' - tough. These bastards don't deserve anything. Very few of them can be 'rehabilitated' and even if they can be, they'll take too much from the society already.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
687220	2008-07-10 07:39:00	Well what’s wrong with an Open Season? $100 for a scalp and pair of ears with a $1m for the best trophy head. Problem solved. :thumbs:	B.M. (505)
687221	2008-07-10 09:27:00	Gee ! I've counted 4 replies that suggest shooting them ! I tend to agree. But as many of you say it is the govt that will not make the judges and the police enforce the law and lock them up. As some of you say , just follow them till they offend then put them in jail for as many years as necessary. I see that the govt is trying to pass a new law that will add 5 years to any sentence if you are a gang member. That would be good if it was enforced. Make them serve the full sentence !	Digby (677)
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