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Thread ID: 91869	2008-07-21 08:48:00	What Right Do They Have?	Roscoe (6288)	PC World Chat

Post ID	Timestamp	Content	User
690814	2008-07-21 08:48:00	Friend of mine had a rather loud and prolonged shouting match with his SWMBO and the neighbours called the cops. When they arrived, they did not ask if they could come in, they just walked in. He thought that wrong and protested but he was ignored. They asked if there was anyone else in the house and asked to be shown through the house, but that was the only request. They asked questions of both and then left, apparently satisfied. He was of the opinion, as am I, that the only occasion that the police have the right to enter without an invitation is if they suspect there are drugs on the property. Is that not correct?	Roscoe (6288)
690815	2008-07-21 08:53:00	Friend of mine had a rather loud and prolonged shouting match with his SWMBO and the neighbours called the cops. When they arrived, they did not ask if they could come in, they just walked in. He thought that wrong and protested but he was ignored. They asked if there was anyone else in the house and asked to be shown through the house, but that was the only request. They asked questions of both and then left, apparently satisfied. He was of the opinion, as am I, that the only occasion that the police have the right to enter without an invitation is if they suspect there are drugs on the property. Is that not correct? here (www.howtolaw.co.nz)	plod (107)
690816	2008-07-21 09:04:00	Thank you, Plod. In essence, what it says is that they can enter your premises anytime they want without a search warrant. All they need to have is a suspicion that "they reasonably suspect you of committing a crime on the premises" or "they can also enter to prevent an offence if they suspect that an offence likely to cause immediate and serious injury to any person or property is about to be committed." So it is very open ended and they can say what they like before and after the event to justify their actions. Does not sound as though you have any right to refuse them entry at any time. Who will the court believe, you or the cops? It's obviously loaded in the cops favour.	Roscoe (6288)
690817	2008-07-21 09:16:00	I should hink a great deal of legal thought went in to allowing this: The Police can enter without a warrant to arrest you if: They can also enter to prevent an offence if they suspect that an offence likely to cause immediate and serious injury to any person or property is about to be committed . Imagine the reaction if one of the parties could just stand in the doorway and say go away while the other was dying on the kitchen floor . Reasonable grounds? Friend of mine had a rather loud and prolonged shouting match with his SWMBO and the neighbours called the cops .	Scouse (83)
690818	2008-07-21 10:26:00	I should hink a great deal of legal thought went in to allowing this: The Police can enter without a warrant to arrest you if: They can also enter to prevent an offence if they suspect that an offence likely to cause immediate and serious injury to any person or property is about to be committed . Imagine the reaction if one of the parties could just stand in the doorway and say go away while the other was dying on the kitchen floor . Reasonable grounds? Friend of mine had a rather loud and prolonged shouting match with his SWMBO and the neighbours called the cops . Exactly, but there are some do-goodies out there!:)	BobM (1138)
690819	2008-07-21 10:37:00	Yes, but as recent threads have shown, domestic abuse is not acceptable. How would you feel if you turned your back on what sounds like a very loud and prolonged shouting match (and who knows what was being said/threatened) and then the next day you saw one of them with a bruised face? I've called the police before on a neighbours temporary guests after a prolonged shouting match outside that involved threats to each other. It was very disturbing to listen to.	Jen (38)
690820	2008-07-21 10:41:00	In most cases, I'd feel better and safer if police are able to enter any premises they think they need to check. Better safe than sorry.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
690821	2008-07-21 10:58:00	I once refused the police entry, They came back in large numbers and beat the entire place down with batons, It was a legendary party.:clap That aside, I'm glad they have the right to come in and see what the hell is going on.	Metla (12)
690822	2008-07-21 21:53:00	When they arrived, they did not ask if they could come in, they just walked in . He thought that wrong and protested but he was ignored . My son had a loud celebration (not an argument) with his girlfriend once . Neighbour called police . Son thought the same too, especially as girlfriend was standing (unharmed) right behind him in the doorway . They kicked the door open and pepper sprayed both of them and arrested him for obstruction .	pctek (84)
690823	2008-07-21 23:11:00	My son had a loud celebration (not an argument) with his girlfriend once. Neighbour called police. Son thought the same too, especially as girlfriend was standing (unharmed) right behind him in the doorway. They kicked the door open and pepper sprayed both of them and arrested him for obstruction. So it does seem that the cops have all the rights and you do not have too many. Of course, you can protest after the event which does not stop them coming in if you don't want. In the case above, who is going to believe anyone but the cops? The cops would not do anything untoward, would they?:horrified	Roscoe (6288)
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