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| Thread ID: 103949 | 2009-10-11 22:00:00 | Any OpenOffice.org Users out there? | Yorick (8120) | Press F1 |
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| 819578 | 2009-12-08 19:23:00 | Let me try to make it more clear. Rather than telling the general population of PressF1 about all the advantages of Open Office why not wait until a user comes up with "How do I do xyz with Open Office?" Then would be the best time to jump in with the help I think. Thats a very good point Sweep - from what I have seen , while Its good to have free software like open office and a person to support it, the way I see this thread is like I mentioned many posts ago -- its a form of advertising for Open Office - IF it were a paid product its going directly against the forum rules and would have been stopped ages ago. 8) No commercial posting, spamming, or otherwise using the forum to promote products and services purely for your own gain. This doesn't stop you recommending products and services to other users, nor does it stop a vendor discussing their products in relation to a post. But users who post purely to promote their business/website may find their threads deleted along with their user ID. That rule is being pushed to the limit, esp the sections "recommending products" & "nor does it stop a vendor discussing their products in relation to a post" , considering the post was started by the "vendor" - SO yes your suggestion of waiting till a PressF1 user actually asks for help on a certain problem is 100% valid :thumbs: |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 819579 | 2009-12-08 19:54:00 | Well I find Yorick's posts informative and interesting. :thumbs: If you don't want to know about Open Office, just don't read the posts. It's no different to not reading an article in PC World because it doesn't interest you. In the meantime, don't spoil it for those of us that wish to read them. |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 819580 | 2009-12-08 20:11:00 | This thread appears to go against just about everything in that rule. Its not a help question as per the very first post Up front, I'm the Marketing Contact for OpenOffice.org in NZ The PressF1 Section is a help section Ask for help with your PC problems and discuss technical issues. At the every least, since its verging on spam, the only thing thats stopping it is the fact its free software - I do hope the powers to be will allow other people to drop in advertising and promoting their products, as per this post. At the VERY least it should be moved to the PF1Chat The general and "off topic" discussion area.. I'm not against open office one little bit, but just because a person who does development on the software starts a post, that doesn't give the said person the right to " flaunt" the rules. I've seen the mods dump other threads for a LOT less, as they were considered spam/ advertising. |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 819581 | 2009-12-08 21:40:00 | A guy offers a service on a giveaway product with no chance of financial reward and someone moans. :rolleyes: Typical of what holds the country back. :rolleyes: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 819582 | 2009-12-08 21:57:00 | far from it - the forum has rules and looking at rule #8 its against that rule. You cant have one set of rules for some and not for others. So since its obvious that a person can push a product that's free - I may just contact a person I know who also develops software for free, get her to sign up and start promoting it -- Lets see how long it takes to have her account banned and the post deleted. Edited: by the posters own words Heh, 3 cheers for PC World for providing a platform for getting the message out. If I manage to help people out and introduce OOo to a wider audience in the process then it's all good. promoting software from your own started post. Open Office is a good free product, no doubting that - but as sweep asked / suggested Rather than telling the general population of PressF1 about all the advantages of Open Office why not wait until a user comes up with "How do I do xyz with Open Office?" |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 819583 | 2009-12-08 22:03:00 | Let me try to make it more clear. Rather than telling the general population of PressF1 about all the advantages of Open Office why not wait until a user comes up with "How do I do xyz with Open Office?" Then would be the best time to jump in with the help I think. That was what I was trying to do I believe when Paul asked the Question about Access equivalent commands. I wasn't sure of the answers so I provided some links to people who could provide those answers. I have studiously avoided any reference to any commercial offering that I am involved with, but if I crossed a line I apologise. |
Yorick (8120) | ||
| 819584 | 2009-12-08 22:15:00 | Let me try to make it more clear. Rather than telling the general population of PressF1 about all the advantages of Open Office why not wait until a user comes up with "How do I do xyz with Open Office?" Then would be the best time to jump in with the help I think. That sums it up I think. |
convair (13650) | ||
| 819585 | 2009-12-08 23:01:00 | Thats a very good point Sweep - from what I have seen , while Its good to have free software like open office and a person to support it, the way I see this thread is like I mentioned many posts ago -- its a form of advertising for Open Office - IF it were a paid product its going directly against the forum rules and would have been stopped ages ago. Quote:8 ) No commercial posting, spamming, or otherwise using the forum to promote products and services purely for your own gain. (my emphasis) This was the bit that I was being careful about in terms of the line crossing and going back over the thread I think I've succeeded, but obviously opinion varies on what defines "Your Own Gain." That rule is being pushed to the limit, esp the sections "recommending products" & "nor does it stop a vendor discussing their products in relation to a post" , considering the post was started by the "vendor" - SO yes your suggestion of waiting till a PressF1 user actually asks for help on a certain problem is 100% valid I agree in terms of the "limit pushing" and as I iterated earlier. I was very mindful of trying not to cross the line. Originally it was a help thing in terms of helping me with info on people using OOo This thread appears to go against just about everything in that rule. Its not a help question as per the very first post Quote:Up front, I'm the Marketing Contact for OpenOffice.org in NZ The PressF1 Section is a help section Quote:Ask for help with your PC problems and discuss technical issues. At the every least, since its verging on spam, the only thing thats stopping it is the fact its free software - I do hope the powers to be will allow other people to drop in advertising and promoting their products, as per this post. Ouch, if this thread was used as an excuse for commercial vendors to advertise their products in this forum I would delete it myself. As I said I make no gain from this. I'm not paid by the organisation, I do it purely on a voluntary basis and I've studiously tried to avoid any reference that would result in personal gain and if I did, I'd wholly support having my ass burned by the Mods(figuratively speaking of course ::cough:: :horrified) I'm not against open office one little bit, but just because a person who does development on the software starts a post, that doesn't give the said person the right to " flaunt" the rules. I don't do development on OOo, I only wish that I had the smarts to join that exalted group. I'm just a member of the community of volunteers. Most of the devs are paid to hack on it. Hmmm methinks we are perhaps coming up with a Moot for a "Third Great PressF1 Debate". :) |
Yorick (8120) | ||
| 819586 | 2009-12-08 23:23:00 | The only reason I even mentioned about this thread, as Sweep has suggested in an earlier post re waiting to have a question asked about a certain problem. Out of all the posts there is more promoting than answers to actual problems. In the past there have been threads or links by others that promote software (both free and paid) and they have been either locked or the links / whole thread removed. Open office is a good program - no doubting that - nothing wrong with it, but promoting it and then comparing to other threads that have been deleted or locked is no difference. |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 819587 | 2009-12-09 05:42:00 | Ye Gods I don't believe I just did this! :D I went back over the thread and went through the messages and the results are: Answers to original query: 30 Other Questions with no other comment: 5 My answer to questions in any post WRT OOo:27 Off topic Posts that had nothing to with OOo: 8 Other Comments that were on topic and often contained a query or something that needed answering: 49 Posts by me that could be construed as purely Promo:12 Yea I know there are a couple short, what can I say I flunked Accounting! ;) In my defence most of the "Promo" ones were in direct response to Off Topic comments promoting MSO, The 100 million post I'll happily take the shot for, but bugger it, it was just COOL! :D. If the consensus is I should shutup, then I'm happy to cease and desist. Right now there are more posts about the thread than about the topic so it's probably best. |
Yorick (8120) | ||
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