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Thread ID: 92580	2008-08-15 06:24:00	Evidence in Georgia Belies Russia's Claims of 'Genocide'	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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697490	2008-08-15 06:24:00	Russia's assertions that it was provoked into war by "genocide" in South Ossetia and that it is observing a cease-fire in Georgia came under new challenge Thursday, as the U.S. stepped up diplomatic pressure on Moscow. Washington agreed to base guided missile-firing interceptors on Polish soil, in a new sign of how Russia's invasion of Georgia is redrawing the geopolitical map. On the ground in South Ossetia -- the contested region where fighting broke out last week between Georgia and Russia -- there was little evidence that Georgian attacks killed thousands of civilians, as Russia has said.	SurferJoe46 (51)
697491	2008-08-15 06:37:00	Russia and America will make any claim that will suit their agenda, Thats been proven so many times its not even worth repeating their propaganda. Georgia gambled and lost, It has nothing to do with America.....well, apart from an oil line....:(	Metla (12)
697492	2008-08-15 06:50:00	When governments argue, usually the biggest one is wrongest and winningest. (Happens with my parking tickets anyway) ;)	R2x1 (4628)
697493	2008-08-15 10:56:00	Russia and America will make any claim that will suit their agenda, Thats been proven so many times its not even worth repeating their propaganda. Georgia gambled and lost, It has nothing to do with America.....well, apart from an oil line....:( Only this is not America's claim, but Human Rights Watch's observers'. www.guardian.co.uk On the other hand, attrocities are almost certainly being committed against Georgian civilians. Russia is in control of more than 1/3rd of Georgia and apparently not withdrawing.	GoodHour (12218)
697494	2008-08-15 11:03:00	Yeah, No skin off my nose, Like I said both parties will say whatever suits, If one of them happens to be anywhere near the truth its only by coincidence. Go Russia.	Metla (12)
697495	2008-08-15 11:05:00	Those news-readers getting shot up was also a hard case. Wonder if they learned the lesson? Probably not.	Metla (12)
697496	2008-08-16 02:35:00	www.telegraph.co.uk:80 They are both mad,that is USA and Russia,problem is it could all be at our expense,that is we observers.	Cicero (40)
697497	2008-08-16 04:04:00	The Truth about Georgia gets censored again on TV: here (youtube.com) Digg comment: Wow, and I thought the old Soviet propaganda machine was bad Fox News could give Pravda a run for its money any day. Here is another good one from yesterday - Survivors of the S. Ossetia massacre, a 12-year old girl and her aunt, recount their experience on Fox News. Shepard Smith calls the girl a hero, but when her aunt points out that Saakashvili is to blame for the destruction she is abruptly cut off: article here (digg.com orgia_2) SJ, down here in NZ I find more and more people are realizing the strong neocon-Repub bias of Fox News and are switching it off. Unfortunately it seems that in the USA more people get :waughh: sucked in by Fox. :( One news service that I respect is Stratfor (http://www.stratfor.com/), and this is what they have to say about the mess in Georgia: The United States is Georgia’s closest ally. It (the USA) maintained about 130 military advisers in Georgia, along with civilian advisers, contractors involved in all aspects of the Georgian government and people doing business in Georgia. It is inconceivable that the Americans were unaware of Georgia’s mobilization and intentions. It is also inconceivable that the Americans were unaware that the Russians had deployed substantial forces on the South Ossetian frontier. U.S. technical intelligence, from satellite imagery and signals intelligence to unmanned aerial vehicles, could not miss the fact that thousands of Russian troops were moving to forward positions. The Russians clearly knew the Georgians were ready to move. How could the United States not be aware of the Russians? ... The war in Georgia, therefore, is Russia’s public return to great power status. This is not something that just happened — it has been unfolding ever since Putin took power, and with growing intensity in the past five years. ... The war was far from a surprise; it has been building for months. But the geopolitical foundations of the war have been building since 1992. Russia has been an empire for centuries. The last 15 years or so were not the new reality, but simply an aberration that would be rectified. And now it is being rectified.	Strommer (42)
697498	2008-08-16 05:49:00	Most Americans don't listen to FOX..but they DO like the low-cut blouses on the news wimmen a lot. I think that's the only attraction. There is a newspaper we call "McNews" or "USA Today"..about the same. Jennifer Lopez's baby news and Donnie & Marie's revival show is about it. I feel youse guys are prolly right..the US is very dumbed-down. I personally watch the BBC news..and it's kinda cooked for US ears too.	SurferJoe46 (51)
697499	2008-08-16 20:18:00	The situation in South Ossetia and Georgia interests me. I have read that the whole Caucasus area has been invaded, and disfunctional for the last 2,000 years. There is no real Georgian state spirit. And they do not like being governed etc. similar to Afghans. The solution to my mind is some UN / NATA/ US / Russian sponsored ethnic cleansing. This was done by the League Of Nations after the Greek-Turkish war of 1921. They moved 400,000 Muslim Turks from Greece to Turkey and 2,000,000 Greeks from Turkey to Greece. In a peaceful humanitarian way. You lived in a hovel here, so now you are living in a hovel here ! The population of South Ossetia is only 70,000. Of which only 40,000 are ethic South Ossetians. The other 30,000 are Georgians. It is a very small area about the size of the Waikato ? So my solution is to pay the 30,000 Georgians to move out of South Ossetia, and then let the South Ossetians decide if they want to become independent or become part of Russia (where North Ossetia is). One more new country, but problem solved forever !	Digby (677)
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