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Thread ID: 92768	2008-08-22 08:36:00	TV3 speed camera caused crash	tweak'e (69)	PC World Chat

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699347	2008-08-22 08:36:00	tonights cambell live had a story on about a person rear ending a turning vehicle causing it to crash head on killing one person. the locals there blame the speed camera that was parked on the side of the road. what is in the water down there? thats the biggest load of crap i've ever heard. not only did the footage show more than enough room for a car to pass in between the camera van and turning vehicle, crashing into a rear of ANY vehicle is from dangerous driving. most notable caused by tailgating. the rule in this country is that you must not hit anyone on front of you. we have far worse intersections around here and most likely far more traffic. sounds like a bunch of locals trying to justify their crappy driving on speed cameras because they are as bad as the guy how caused the crash. note- the guy who hit the car admitted his guilt and got sentenced for it. no problem there....its just the lousy attitude of the rest of the locals that annoys me.	tweak'e (69)
699348	2008-08-22 10:10:00	What does the speed camera have to do with it ? :confused:	jwil1 (65)
699349	2008-08-22 10:14:00	Blame is the name of the game. The idiots who encourage it are just as bad. Cheers, Marnie	Marnie (4574)
699350	2008-08-22 10:25:00	sorry i didn't write that all too well. speed camera was parked in a turning bay on the side of the road. that supposedly (not that it matters) forced a car that was going to turn into a road to stop in the lane instead of using the turning bay.	tweak'e (69)
699351	2008-08-22 12:00:00	I think the locals are justified in being angry that the speed camera van was using a layby that one of the locals paid for to make turning safer. The rule used to be that you had to pull over to the left if you would have to wait to turn right on a highway. That's what the driver of the black car should have done anyway. It's fine saying that you shouldn't run up the arse of anything but what evidence was there about how long the black car had been indicating a right turn and slowing? Jumping on the brakes on a clear road and relying on the road code to stop something running into you is always risky.	PaulD (232)
699352	2008-08-22 18:49:00	I think the locals are justified in being angry that the speed camera van was using a layby that one of the locals paid for to make turning safer. The rule used to be that you had to pull over to the left if you would have to wait to turn right on a highway. That's what the driver of the black car should have done anyway. ...As far as I am aware, the rule still is that if there is a shoulder on the left for you to use, use it. Not that anyone ever does, more noticeably on state highways	Myth (110)
699353	2008-08-22 20:02:00	This is from the Regulation, there's no longer an absolute requirement to pull over to the left "(2) A driver intending to turn to enter another roadway or a vehicle entrance to the right must— (a) move as far as practicable to the right without encroaching on any lanes that are unavailable to the driver (or, in the case of a roadway not marked in lanes, without encroaching over the middle of the roadway) before reaching the point at which the driver intends to turn; and (b) turn as directly as possible to a similar position on any roadway the driver enters. (3) A driver is not in breach of subclause (2) if the driver proves that, in the interests of safety, the driver moved as far as practicable to the left of the roadway on which the driver was travelling and slowed or stopped the vehicle in advance of the point where he or she intended to turn right until the roadway was clear of traffic turning right from the centre of the road and it was safe to turn."	PaulD (232)
699354	2008-08-23 02:56:00	I think the locals are justified in being angry that the speed camera van was using a layby that one of the locals paid for to make turning safer. The rule used to be that you had to pull over to the left if you would have to wait to turn right on a highway. That's what the driver of the black car should have done anyway. It's fine saying that you shouldn't run up the arse of anything but what evidence was there about how long the black car had been indicating a right turn and slowing? Jumping on the brakes on a clear road and relying on the road code to stop something running into you is always risky. it doesn't matter how fast the car slowed or if it was indicating. at the end of the day its the following drivers responsibility to not hit the vehicle in front, even if they do a full emergency stop blocking the lane. the speed camera van is just a smoke screen, trying to divert blame elsewhere instead of on one of their own. it would have been different had the camera van been hit. if he had gone around the car and hit the van then they are more than welcome to blame the camera van. obviously the driver never bothered to try and go around the car. we have very few places around here where you can pull off the road to do a right turn due to narrow roads. a few idiots try but what happens is traffic has to go over the other side of the road to get past, head on into oncoming traffic. even if you can pull completely off you have to cross two lanes of traffic which is a lot harder to do and a lot more dangerous. pulling off the road is not always the safer option. one would have thought the farmers down there would have spoken up and tried to improve their poor driving. try and educate people to be better driver so this doesn't happen again. but no its easier to go blame someone else than to get of their arses and be better drivers. how cowardly can you get. what part of don't hit the vehicle in front don't you guys get, its basic driving 101.	tweak'e (69)
699355	2008-08-23 12:58:00	the speed camera van is just a smoke screen, trying to divert blame elsewhere instead of on one of their own. Sorry Tweak but the driver of the speed camera van was a complete dick head especially when you consider that $8000 was paid to create some safety there. He was as stupid as a dumb cop that was stopping people for a regular warrant etc check when there were no parking lines at that spot and I'm pretty sure they were there because of safety reason.	mikebartnz (21)
699356	2008-08-23 23:26:00	Sorry Tweak but the driver of the speed camera van was a complete dick head especially when you consider that $8000 was paid to create some safety there. He was as stupid as a dumb cop that was stopping people for a regular warrant etc check when there were no parking lines at that spot and I'm pretty sure they were there because of safety reason. how do you fiquere that ? from what was show on tv i could have driven a truck between the 2 vechiles. you have to rmember the car wasn't sideswiped and the camera van was not hit which is what you would expect if he tried to go between and there wasn't enough room. this looks to be a simple nose to tail by a bad driver. not sure what your on about about the cop. whats parking lines got to do with a police check ??	tweak'e (69)
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