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Thread ID: 93491	2008-09-19 04:26:00	Dementia put down.	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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706294	2008-09-19 06:30:00	I like the elderly, as most of the time they are the nicest people you could find outside . I like you too qazwsxokmijn . Do you still like me when I am inside? Old Ken :lol: :lol: Bit of levity called for :p	kenj (9738)
706295	2008-09-19 06:34:00	I wouldn't call it a 'duty' but rather an option. As I see it those who can't take care of themselves and rely on society to keep them going are undeniably a drain, but usually a drain that I'm happy to keep around. I like the elderly, as most of the time they are the nicest people you could find outside. So don't get me wrong. But they should be given the option to slip away if they are terminally ill. If they want to die because they think they're too much of a burden on the family, I'm sure their family would object to it anyway. We put our pets down if we know they are suffering too much. I seriously cannot see how a human being put out of his/her misery is cruelty. It is mercy, not cruelty. Hmmm.... Slippery slope there. I'm all for pro-choice too, but "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" (If you've all been good boys and girls and done your Latin study, you'll know that means "Who will guard the guards?" - from the Roman poet Juvenal)	johcar (6283)
706296	2008-09-19 06:55:00	I like you too qazwsxokmijn. Do you still like me when I am inside? Old Ken :lol: :lol: Bit of levity called for :p ......... By outside I meant in the out.....you know, streets, supermarkets, etc......man I need to pick my words carefully. :p Hmmm.... Slippery slope there. I'm all for pro-choice too, but "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" One half of me have no feelings whatsoever and maybe even relief when people die, because I am one of those people who thinks there are far too many humans on this planet. The other half of course is brought up by human morale and conditioned as such, so I am also saddened. The recent milk crap that's happening - 6000+ babies could die, One half of me says "great, 6000 less people to kill this planet" but the other half is speechless and mortified. And this other half is also the other half that says death should be voluntary during terminal illness.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
706297	2008-09-19 08:15:00	......... By outside I meant in the out.....you know, streets, supermarkets, etc......man I need to pick my words carefully. :p One half of me have no feelings whatsoever and maybe even relief when people die, because I am one of those people who thinks there are far too many humans on this planet. The other half of course is brought up by human morale and conditioned as such, so I am also saddened. The recent milk crap that's happening - 6000+ babies could die, One half of me says "great, 6000 less people to kill this planet" but the other half is speechless and mortified. And this other half is also the other half that says death should be voluntary during terminal illness. Life is full of dilemmas. We have to take a position,or we should,there are always the the fence sitters. I while here on earth I feel we should have a certain quality,once there is no quality,then it is time to shuffle of the mortal coil. And that is the end of your innings.	Cicero (40)
706298	2008-09-19 08:49:00	I Basically, life is precious at every stage . I bet loads of people have lots of fun being demented . I don't think she means it like lets kill them when we're sick of them . I think she means lets allow people to decide if they want to be able to end it in a pleasant way . People in advanced stages of Alzheimers aren't having fun, they are usually too confused and terrified . I've met one or two . And I agree with the principle, why should we have to linger if we don't want to, people don't allow animals to suffer . I'd love to have the choice of booking in for my final injection . . . . . . . . . . .	pctek (84)
706299	2008-09-19 09:50:00	Only problem with that pctek, is that by definition, if you have dementia (or advanced stages of Alzheimers), how can you make that decision for yourself? Someone else has to make that decision for you, and that is different from "booking yourself in for your final injection" . The next step from doing this in the case of dementia is setting up a similar system for other people who are "inconvenient" to the rest of us, like mental health patients or the intellectually disabled, and that is what eugenics is all about . We saw this with the Nazis, as someone else has already mentioned . I have no problems with this as long as people are of sound mind - I too want to be able to end things for myself if I have some sort of terminal illness and quality of life has gone, or pain can't be managed . But I want to be able to decide that for myself, which I can if I am of sound mind . I don't want someone else deciding that for me if I am doolally .	John H (8)
706300	2008-09-19 10:02:00	I don't think she means it like lets kill them when we're sick of them. I think she means lets allow people to decide if they want to be able to end it in a pleasant way. People in advanced stages of Alzheimers aren't having fun, they are usually too confused and terrified. I've met one or two. And I agree with the principle, why should we have to linger if we don't want to, people don't allow animals to suffer. I'd love to have the choice of booking in for my final injection........... That's ok if somebody is demonstrably suffering. Much easier said than done when someone starts becoming less coherant. I agree with you in that case, nobody should be made to suffer. It's just the idea that we're getting rid of them because they've become a burden. You could argue that the second somebody retires, they're a burden in the same way. Or at least that they're not pulling their weight. It's rubbish of course, but where do you draw the line? If someone is not really with it, but still able to get moments of joy out of life (often with simple things, a Maccas shake made my Pop's day), then I don't see any harm in them staying round. They may be a burden, but so were we when they were raising us. Couldn't agree with John H more, BTW.	Thebananamonkey (7741)
706301	2008-09-19 21:20:00	Only problem with that pctek, is that by definition, if you have dementia (or advanced stages of Alzheimers), how can you make that decision for yourself? Because its a slow process . If you sign something or ask while you still can that you want it done, then why not?	pctek (84)
706302	2008-09-19 21:58:00	On top of that,what is wrong with going to heaven early?	Cicero (40)
706303	2008-09-19 22:00:00	Because its a slow process. If you sign something or ask while you still can that you want it done, then why not? Read the rest of my post and you will see why.	John H (8)
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