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Thread ID: 93491	2008-09-19 04:26:00	Dementia put down.	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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706284	2008-09-19 04:26:00	This is thought provoking,for myself I am in favour,starting with Zqwerty(joking) www.telegraph.co.uk:80	Cicero (40)
706285	2008-09-19 04:46:00	I see where she's coming from... but this is just wrong. There's a point where pursuing stone cold reason becomes inhuman, and you've got to take your bearings. Basically, life is precious at every stage. I bet loads of people have lots of fun being demented. And mostly they've earned the right to give us a hard time over a lifetime of good work. Somebody please point this lady to a dictionary with the word Genocide. Then the word Eugenics. Then maybe to an encyclopaedia with an entry on the Nazis.	Thebananamonkey (7741)
706286	2008-09-19 05:09:00	I will be happy to be off when I am non compos mentis. What is the point of not being aware?And hanging around?	Cicero (40)
706287	2008-09-19 05:18:00	Whether or not this is "a good thing", I think there are some pretty insoluble questions . If you are demented, then you have lost the capacity to make legally binding decisions (or perhaps any decisions at all) . That means that someone else will have to make the decision to end your life . Even if you have signed an Enduring Power of Attorney whilst you are still legally capable, someone has to decide that you are demented (presumably a medical practitioner or a judge), and then another person (your attorney) will have to decide that things have come to such a pass that you would want to end your life . Now . How many EPA attorneys will be willing to make that decision? Conversely, some attorneys may be only too willing to make that decision because they are legatees who will profit from your death . I nursed my young brother at the end of his life, and had control of his morphine machine cos he was comatose towards the end . With some nudge nudge wink wink from the doctor who supplied the machine, I understood I "could not give him too much morphine" - I was told this three times to make sure I understood . I had the opportunity at that time to think and feel my way through all of these issues (especially in the wee dark hours when I was on my own with him), and I just kept the morphine going at a level that controlled his pain until he decided to let go . I couldn't make that decision, or if I did, I doubt I could live with myself afterwards . My bro was comatose and in pain - how more difficult would it be to make that decision when the person concerned was still living life (however out of their mind they were) . Not all demented people are out of control .	John H (8)
706288	2008-09-19 05:26:00	Could be a L O T more parliamentary seats vacant come the election.	R2x1 (4628)
706289	2008-09-19 05:48:00	I see where she's coming from... but this is just wrong. There's a point where pursuing stone cold reason becomes inhuman, and you've got to take your bearings. Basically, life is precious at every stage. I bet loads of people have lots of fun being demented. And mostly they've earned the right to give us a hard time over a lifetime of good work. Somebody please point this lady to a dictionary with the word Genocide. Then the word Eugenics. Then maybe to an encyclopaedia with an entry on the Nazis. Bollocks!!! Have you had a person who has or died with dementia. If not, please don't make stupid statements like that!! My Mum died in late 2004 suffering from dementia. She was in her late 80's. She started to deteriorate around '98 and steadily went downhill from there on. She broke her hip while in a Dementia ward where she had a fall around 2.5 years before she died. Her hip was pinned by surgeons in the hospital to give relief from pain.From then on, she never moved from bed or wheeled recliner seat till the day she died, she never spoke again and went comatose shortly after. Have you seen a person like that? I was prepared to go to court if there was a chance of stopping semi liquid slush food being fed to her each meal. No drinks - lost the ability to drink. I took a photo of her at the stage where I was trying to get a ruling on the matter. I can't submit it for you to see in respect for Mum, but it would shock the living crap out of you. If she had been on life support they would have OKed pulling the plug! For 2.5 years she was in a private hospital, which, as Mum's estate was dry by then, cost the taxpayer $1150 per week. Sorry if I have raved on but it is still freh in my mind after 4 years. Ken	kenj (9738)
706290	2008-09-19 05:54:00	Bollocks!!! Have you had a person who has or died with dementia. If not, please don't make stupid statements like that!! Yes, I have. My grandfather got taken away with the fairies, and so did my grandmother. I think my grandfather had the time of his life being demented, and by the time it was in absolute full swing, he was so far downhill healthwise that it really didn't take that much more away. Basically though, I think living is vitally important. It's amazing what people will do if they think their only option is death. Life is something I value above everything else. (That said, I'm strictly pro-choice... go figure) If they're dead mentally, then I think it's fine to let them go physically. But if it's just because people are considered to be too difficult, then I'm fully not behind that.	Thebananamonkey (7741)
706291	2008-09-19 06:16:00	...Phyllis Bowman, executive director of the campaign group Right to Life, added: "It sends a message to dementia sufferers that certain people think they don't count, and that they are a burden on their families. ...If they are suffering from dementia, how can they recognise that "...certain people think they don't count, and that they are a burden on their families."??? Interesting turn of phrase too: "suffer from dementia" - if you have dementia, are you are that you are "suffering", or is it just that the surrounding family members project their suffering onto the the person with dementia??	johcar (6283)
706292	2008-09-19 06:18:00	....If they're dead mentally, then I think it's fine to let them go physically. But if it's just because people are considered to be too difficult, then I'm fully not behind that. You are a complicated bloke, bananamonkey! If they are 'dead mentally', that could be the reason they are 'considered to be too difficult'....	johcar (6283)
706293	2008-09-19 06:20:00	I wouldn't call it a 'duty' but rather an option. As I see it those who can't take care of themselves and rely on society to keep them going are undeniably a drain, but usually a drain that I'm happy to keep around. I like the elderly, as most of the time they are the nicest people you could find outside. So don't get me wrong. But they should be given the option to slip away if they are terminally ill. If they want to die because they think they're too much of a burden on the family, I'm sure their family would object to it anyway. We put our pets down if we know they are suffering too much. I seriously cannot see how a human being put out of his/her misery is cruelty. It is mercy, not cruelty.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
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