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Thread ID: 94310	2008-10-24 04:02:00	The reason to vote Labour (NOT)	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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714295	2008-10-24 04:02:00	Oz-Bound Kiwis Double Over Five Years The election is now a fortnight away. But over the past twelve months hanging around to vote has been too much to ask for a record number of New Zealanders who have simply voted with their feet. A massive 82,254 Kiwis left this country for good in the year ended September 2008 according to figures released by the Government Statistician this week. That’s 1,581 each and every week. Or 225 every day. There are no prizes for guessing the destination of choice. 47,166 New Zealanders departed for Australia in the past year. That’s 907 per week. And it’s a whopping 18.6% increase on the number of departures in the previous year. The trend over the past five years has been truly frightening. In the year ending September 2003, 55,103 New Zealanders in total departed overseas permanently. And a mere 23,393 of them to Australia. That’s right. The number of New Zealanders leaving for Australia annually has doubled in the past five years. The cumulative effect of the avalanche of departures is now a problem of very serious proportions. Researchers from Australia’s leading think tank, the Lowy Institute, have estimated that there are approximately one million Kiwis living abroad – the equivalent of nearly a quarter of our resident population. By comparison, Australia also has approximately one million Aussies living abroad – a much more respectable 4.6% of their 21.5 million residents. And a breakdown of the departures tells an even sorrier tale: over 32% of all of the graduates produced by our tertiary institutions now live abroad, and contribute their skills to the future of another country. By comparison, the figure for Australia is a mere 3%. The position in which New Zealand now finds itself is analogous to the position of Ireland 35 years ago. Indeed the statistics that best illustrated the parlous nature of Ireland’s prospects at the time were its departure statistics, especially its young people. The need for a turnaround in this country exists now on roughly a similar scale. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what the election on 8 November is all about.	Cicero (40)
714296	2008-10-24 04:16:00	So, what you are intimating is that 47,166 New Zealanders find the Australian Labor Party to be a better deal than NZ Labour :) ? Is that a logical deduction ?	Terry Porritt (14)
714297	2008-10-24 04:17:00	Well, it doesn't look promising for National to win the election. Even if National get 50% of the votes (or 60/61 seats) they won't have enough to rule alone because one seat will have to be the speaker, and seeing as the National party's only possible coalition partner was the Maori party, which they have deeply offended now. I see another Labour lead govt. Anyway, who says is has anything to do with the government?	Netsukeninja (13296)
714298	2008-10-24 04:28:00	I see another Labour lead govt. Anyway, who says is has anything to do with the government? It has everything to do with the government, If labour get back in I predict an exodus of unprecedented size. Though, Have no fear, The National vote will be larger then what the polls have indicated.	Metla (12)
714299	2008-10-24 04:32:00	So, what you are intimating is that 47,166 New Zealanders find the Australian Labour Party to be a better deal than NZ Labour :) ? Is that a logical deduction ? I will try to explain..... The Australia that we are going to,was brought about by the John Howard government,your lot are about to reverse things, as this lot have done. To deny that free enterprise is less able to enrich than socialism is silly.	Cicero (40)
714300	2008-10-24 04:46:00	. Though, Have no fear, The National vote will be larger then what the polls have indicated. I can sleep tonight and Terry can ponder the delights of your scenario.	Cicero (40)
714301	2008-10-24 04:51:00	Unfortunately Cic "my lot" are all dead... long dead....Churchill, Harold MacMillan, Enoch Powell........ are dear Enoch, what a grand brilliant mind, fellow Brummie to boot.	Terry Porritt (14)
714302	2008-10-24 06:02:00	It has everything to do with the government, If labour get back in I predict an exodus of unprecedented size. Though, Have no fear, The National vote will be larger then what the polls have indicated. If Labour get in again (perish the thought) I for one will be giving very serious thought about joining the exodus, taking my family and posting here from Melbourne... I hope you're right about the final count, Metla! Aussie would be a great place if it wasn't for the fact there were Aussies living there....	johcar (6283)
714303	2008-10-24 06:12:00	Unfortunately Cic "my lot" are all dead... long dead....Churchill, Harold MacMillan, Enoch Powell........ are dear Enoch, what a grand brilliant mind, fellow Brummie to boot. Pity you don't follow their politics,you would feel so much better. Enoch was a genius,of which we need more of.	Cicero (40)
714304	2008-10-24 06:27:00	For all those who pose the idea of heading off to Australia... from the NZ Herald today....... Australia's jobs market is in for a rocky ride over the next two years, with some economists predicting the unemployment rate rising as high as 11 per cent, as consumer spending is curtailed and economic growth falls. Many economists think the federal government's $10.4 ($11.86) billion fiscal stimulus package and still strong Chinese economic growth would give Australia some protection from an expected global economic recession. However, all agree jobs will be lost, as consumers struggle to pay off their debt burden. The best case scenario is for a jobless rate of 11 per cent by 2010, according to a Sydney academic who has also forecast official interest rates falling to zero over the same time frame.	leonidas5 (2306)
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