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| Thread ID: 94612 | 2008-11-05 07:37:00 | Very sick Judge! | royaloaks (8205) | PC World Chat |
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| 717861 | 2008-11-11 00:53:00 | [QUOTE=Thebananamonkey;725885]So we're punishing criminals to make their victims feel better? Not to discourage further crime, or possibly to reform them? I know that if someone killed/raped anyone close to me that there would be nothing they could do to the person that would make me feel better. So they're dead... doesn't bring my loved one back, does it? QUOTE] I think victims of rape or family members of the murdered etc would feel better knowing that the person that did the crime wouldn't have the chance to do it again. That's my point anyway, the current system is a failure, judges have a chance to seriously put somebody away, but they do tend to be very soft in their approach. Even that guy from the waikato 20+ drink driving convictions.... how many more chances does that guy need? Not saying kill him, but definitely lock him up. Isolation would be an awesome punishment, isolate each prisoner, educate them on their own so other prison factors can't affect them. For major crims: death. But that would cost way too much. |
rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
| 717862 | 2008-11-11 00:57:00 | I always thought prison was 1)-Punishment 2)-Deterrent 3)-Safety of Innocents 4)-Rehabilitation Apparently I am wrong, its #4 only?? |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 717863 | 2008-11-11 00:57:00 | Putting them in prison here isn't too shabby in terms of living conditions anyway. They get everything that low income earners struggle to buy. Food, underfloor heating, medical cover, free lawyers..... |
qazwsxokmijn (102) | ||
| 717864 | 2008-11-11 01:03:00 | But that would cost way too much. That's exactly the problem. Couldn't agree more though. I always thought prison was 1)-Punishment 2)-Deterrent 3)-Safety of Innocents 4)-Rehabilitation I'd agree with that in reverse order. If we can take some of these guys and make honest people out of them, then I call that a win. It's just being damn careful about making sure that you've actually done that. But I'm a little bit liberal... Food, underfloor heating, medical cover, free lawyers..... So let them starve, freeze, get sick, and not even have the chance to prove their innocence first? What are we, American or something? |
Thebananamonkey (7741) | ||
| 717865 | 2008-11-11 01:09:00 | So let them starve, freeze, get sick, and not even have the chance to prove their innocence first? What are we, American or something? Well, no, but make them work their asses off, basically slave labour. Make them Cinderellas for the community. If they don't want to work, then let their family provide food, clothes, medical care etc. If their family don't want them, then let them starve, freeze and get sick. |
qazwsxokmijn (102) | ||
| 717866 | 2008-11-11 01:12:00 | Well, no, but make them work their asses off, basically slave labour. Make them Cinderellas for the community. If they don't want to work, then let their family provide food, clothes, medical care etc. If their family don't want them, then let them starve, freeze and get sick. Agreed that they should work, but maybe paying them might make them see some sort of gain from honest work rather than just being disgruntled. I could see slave labour making them far far worse. IIRC, they do something like that in Portugal. My correct recollection seems to be dodgy ATM, so take that with a handful of salt. |
Thebananamonkey (7741) | ||
| 717867 | 2008-11-11 01:17:00 | Sure, pay them, but meagerly and don't give it to them until they are redeemed safe to the community and released. That, and the Portugal system would work wonders IMO. |
qazwsxokmijn (102) | ||
| 717868 | 2008-11-11 01:22:00 | Sure, pay them, but meagerly and don't give it to them until they are redeemed safe to the community and released. That, and the Portugal system would work wonders IMO. If they're paying for food and medical bills when they're in, then giving it to them when they're out makes very little sense, doesn't it? Make it some sort of credit scheme, where you get so many points for this/that. Have it independant of $$$, like flybuys or something. That way they can't quantify how much they're being exploited by. I suggest that studying would be a good thing to encourage with this, with redeemable credits issued for pass grades. Also, credits issued for good behaviour. |
Thebananamonkey (7741) | ||
| 717869 | 2008-11-11 01:49:00 | So let them starve, freeze, get sick, and not even have the chance to prove their innocence first? What are we, American or something? They already had a chance to prove their innocence; its call a trial. Sometimes I feel quite strongly about this, almost as far as bringing back the death penalty (but hey, sometimes trials get it wrong). Criminals are a drain on society, therefore they have negative value to society. If they have negative value to society, they should be removed from it. Have you ever been a victim of crime before? |
utopian201 (6245) | ||
| 717870 | 2008-11-11 01:56:00 | If they have negative value to society, they should be removed from it. Have you ever been a victim of crime before? Who hasn't? Serious crime? No. |
Thebananamonkey (7741) | ||
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