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| Thread ID: 145792 | 2018-01-29 06:01:00 | Weetbix | piroska (17583) | PC World Chat |
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| 1445660 | 2018-01-29 06:01:00 | Last year my dishwasher leaked. We didn't know as kitchen had vinyl tiles, and the water seeped down the joins and we discovered it when they started to lift. Floor was OK, had lino installed and got a new dishwasher (after an attempt at repair). So, last week I went to pull the washing machine out to clean....and noticed the sink cupboard next to it looked stuffed. Yep, water had leaked (ever so slowly, little droplets) down the hot tap hose....and soaked the floor up the cupboard, up the walls, into hot water cupboard. Pulled sink cupboard out, which disintegrated into wet weetbix..... So new cupboard (metal), doing the lino thing again, the floor under cupboard had nothing at all. It cracked 2 tiles, these are the proper floor tiles, and as we had been having issues with the back door, it now explains that too, it was pushing the frame up. So pulled oven out in kitchen (opposite side of wall to where washing bits are), and lo, I have waves on the lino. Cupboard next to oven has a swollen bit at bottom too. Not touching it. Can't afford it. Man I hate this stuff. They fuss about the steel, they fuss about leaky houses, all sorts of things. WHY the hell are they still using this rubbish? Bathrooms, kitchens, laundries, and most of all, floors. Madness. |
piroska (17583) | ||
| 1445661 | 2018-01-29 20:54:00 | They use it because it's cheap and can be manufactured in sheets, and because floors are not supposed to be soaked in water it's normally ok. Old fashioned tongue and groove would fare better, but water will still damage it over time. I think you'll find building standards for wet areas have been tightened up a lot over the years. My house is Tri-board which is the same stuff but a lot thicker, it has a thin layer of smooth MDF on either side to give a nice finish and a much thicker layer of "Strandboard" in the middle. The important detail is it responds poorly to water. I looked up the design rules for Tri-board when researching some alterations, any wet area MUST legally have a waterporoof membrane covering the floor and extending a distance up the walls similar to what is done under tiles when used under a shower for example. Sounds great except I can testify that my house wasn't built to that (current) standard based on the rotten floor under the second toilet I had removed. The builder patched it up with marine ply, maybe they should use that for floors but it would make houses more expensive. |
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| 1445662 | 2018-01-30 01:47:00 | They use it because it's cheap and can be manufactured in sheets, and because floors are not supposed to be soaked in water Nah they use it because someone came up with a bright idea to use all that wasted sawdust they get from chopping up wood. As for new standards, my son works for a bathroom place, it's all BS except one thing - vanity tops now (some anyway) are made with this resin stuff, it looks like marble, quite heavy. Great. The rest, doesn't matter what veneer or coating really...once the water gets in it's all over. This is the first non-wood house we have ever had. Friend had an old '50s house with pine floors. He got a leak in bathroom and ignored it. It took 9 years to make a hole in the floor. I can live with that, 9 minutes for weetbix.....ok, slight exaggeration, lets say 9 days then. |
piroska (17583) | ||
| 1445663 | 2018-01-30 02:18:00 | The rest, doesn't matter what veneer or coating really...once the water gets in it's all over. If it's done right the water doesn't get in, that's the point. It's easy to demonstrate, you get two small off cuts of MDF or chip board, paint one with exterior paint and leave them out in the rain and see what happens. I'm sure you know the answer without bothering to do it. Mine is not quite so bad, Tri-board is better than chipboard or MDF because it's factory painted and relatively waterproof as long as you paint any cut ends like you are supposed to. |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1445664 | 2018-01-30 05:23:00 | Chipboard isn't made from waste sawdust neither is MDF, the particles are created specifically to make the boards. The new OS flooring from IBS is made in Austria and the fibres are h3 treated bfore the boards are pressed so in theory you can cut them and don't need to retreat the cut edge. I'm not convinced but BRANZ and CODEMARK say its ok. | gary67 (56) | ||
| 1445665 | 2018-01-30 07:06:00 | en.wikipedia.org Particle board .... is the lightest and weakest type of fiberboard. Medium-density fibreboard and hardboard, also called high-density fiberboard, are stronger and denser than particleboard. A major disadvantage of particleboard is that it is very prone to expansion and discoloration due to moisture. Therefore, it is rarely used outdoors or in places where there are high levels of moisture........................ with the exception of some bathrooms, kitchens and laundries. LOL!! IN what country! Particleboard originated in Germany. Firstly produced particleboard is dated back to 1887 Luftwaffe pilot and inventor Max Himmelheber played a role in making the first sheets of particleboard, which were little more than pourings of floor sweepings, wood chips, and ground up off-cuts and glue.... LOL! It still is! (basically) |
piroska (17583) | ||
| 1445666 | 2018-02-02 07:57:00 | So bought a metal laundry cupboard/sink. Trade Depot. Husband expected it to be crap, but he was surprised how sturdy it was and a good guage of steel. He says the Robinhood ones are a disaster. The only issue was the tee connector to waste, it had a mad design on the screw bit, smooth grooves down it, instead of thread all the way round, thus causing leakage, even after we put a washer in it. So he made his own tee out of assorted other plumbing bits. But in all, a surprisingly well made item. |
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