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| Thread ID: 94697 | 2008-11-08 09:20:00 | No more Winston | Bantu (52) | PC World Chat |
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| 718733 | 2008-11-14 06:03:00 | It's a money-go-round - you can't have employees without employers (and vice versa), employers need people to buy their products, people need employers to pay them so they have money to buy products. </economics lesson> __________________ Well said johcar, But the socialists will never accept it they cant get past the hatred of the rich businessman (in old days mill or mine owner). They cant understand the money go round and trickle down effect. Their perfect state was Alabania before they stopped being Commie. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 718734 | 2008-11-14 07:57:00 | Christ, sometimes I wonder about you guys; if the money is taxed out of the system and used by the government for whatever projects, ie Universal Health Care or suchlike, (N.B. this is one example of what could be done), then above money is not slurped up by businessmen and used by them to buy stuff, the aforesaid yachts etc as has been seen in the past. Now, even if the money is used inefficiently/wasted (whatever that means; this is why right wingers want privatization, isn't it, I thought this was their number one bug-bear) for the above U.H.Care then the money will mostly still stay in NZ and not be wasted on overseas buying of products, the more money that falls into rich private hands the more likely that it will be spent on frivolous pursuits, so I Do Not support reducing taxes, in general. The businessmen still get the money in the end but they have to jump through more hoops to get it. Get It Now?????? No because both your ideologies and logic are warped. Not sure where to start.....I think I can get the gist of what you are trying to say but the way you get there is, in a word, bizarre. It sounds like a re-distribution of wealth from the employed and productive private sector to an inefficient and over-bloated public sector. Isn't that exactly what we have had for the past 9 years? And where has it got us? Nowhere. And where did it get the sitting government? A minority opposition. Differing ideological POV but IMO it is not up to the government to decide how to spend our money. We pay taxes so the government provides us, and the rest of society, with essential services. It is not the domain of the government to consistently over-tax it's citizens or re-distribute wealth via an over-sized public sector. Why? Surely the last election result should make it clear to you why - because the majority of citizens do not appreciate being over-taxed. If that puts you and your ideology into a minority, then that is your bad luck. Furthermore, why would tax cuts only benefit 'rich private businessmen' who 'slurp up tax cuts to spend on foreign frivolities'? You make so many assumptions that there are too many to list. Tax cuts benefit everyone, and as said already, capital needs labour and labour needs capital. The absence of one creates a real problem, not just for the other, but for everyone. If you're not happy with the election outcome, or a lack of equality of income because there isn't going to be a redistribution of wealth, then you're more than welcome to vote with your feet. How about a 3-year stint in China or Russia until the next election? Go and see if that is the sort of society you genuinely want to live in. I'm sure many members here would read your updates with interest if you did. |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 718735 | 2008-11-14 08:12:00 | Very thoughtful Andy. | Cicero (40) | ||
| 718736 | 2008-11-14 08:16:00 | The ball is in your court Z you arent happy here with democratically elected govt. Start a blog and move to a nice Commie country for a while and tell us how good it is compared to NZ. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 718737 | 2008-11-14 09:18:00 | If you're not happy with the election outcome, or a lack of equality of income because there isn't going to be a redistribution of wealth, then you're more than welcome to vote with your feet. How about a 3-year stint in China or Russia until the next election? Go and see if that is the sort of society you genuinely want to live in. I'm sure many members here would read your updates with interest if you did. Russia? Hadn't you heard the news? Martynz |
martynz (5445) | ||
| 718738 | 2008-11-14 09:23:00 | Russia? Hadn't you heard the news? Martynz You evidendtly love your own name. |
Greg (193) | ||
| 718739 | 2008-11-14 12:42:00 | We are just seeing the results of unregulated, unbridled capitalism in the global financial melt down, and the worst is yet to come. The only conclusion that I can come to is that you guys, who are supporting an even more right wing monetarist system than we have already got now, are nothing more than zealots who are not swayed by anything, even the complete failure of the financial sector. To me the failure in the American financial sector proves that your ideas are part of a dream world and do not belong in a functioning economy which will last any length of time. By the way, Russia is now a capitalist system and is even more miserable to live in for the poor majority that it was under communism. A minority of businessmen and their cronies have got very rich and the ordinary people have very bad/poor lives. |
zqwerty (97) | ||
| 718740 | 2008-11-14 13:41:00 | No because both your ideologies and logic are warped. Not sure where to start.....I think I can get the gist of what you are trying to say but the way you get there is, in a word, bizarre. It sounds like a re-distribution of wealth from the employed and productive private sector to an inefficient and over-bloated public sector. Isn't that exactly what we have had for the past 9 years? And where has it got us? Nowhere. And where did it get the sitting government? A minority opposition. Differing ideological POV but IMO it is not up to the government to decide how to spend our money. We pay taxes so the government provides us, and the rest of society, with essential services. It is not the domain of the government to consistently over-tax it's citizens or re-distribute wealth via an over-sized public sector. Why? Surely the last election result should make it clear to you why - because the majority of citizens do not appreciate being over-taxed. If that puts you and your ideology into a minority, then that is your bad luck. Furthermore, why would tax cuts only benefit 'rich private businessmen' who 'slurp up tax cuts to spend on foreign frivolities'? You make so many assumptions that there are too many to list. Tax cuts benefit everyone, and as said already, capital needs labour and labour needs capital. The absence of one creates a real problem, not just for the other, but for everyone. If you're not happy with the election outcome, or a lack of equality of income because there isn't going to be a redistribution of wealth, then you're more than welcome to vote with your feet. How about a 3-year stint in China or Russia until the next election? Go and see if that is the sort of society you genuinely want to live in. I'm sure many members here would read your updates with interest if you did. Well said but it is a complete waste of time trying to convince a zealot like zqwerty otherwise. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 718741 | 2008-11-14 18:33:00 | Well said but it is a complete waste of time trying to convince a zealot like zqwerty otherwise. Don't know that I want to pay much attention to someone who doesn't seem to know that the communist state no longer exists in the former Soviet Union.From all accounts the new Russia would be an ideal place for some forumites. Martynz |
martynz (5445) | ||
| 718742 | 2008-11-14 20:31:00 | ...whatever...not sure I want to pay any attention to someone incapable of thinking. I'm not gonna get sucked into a meaningless side debate - if you don't like the inclusion of Russia, then pick any other country with a history of wealth redistribution and lack of civil liberties.....it's not hard |
andrew93 (249) | ||
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