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| Thread ID: 94945 | 2008-11-18 05:10:00 | 10 yrs for a murder.....? | SolMiester (139) | PC World Chat |
| Post ID | Timestamp | Content | User | ||
| 721168 | 2008-11-18 23:43:00 | Crime is by definition unfair... In Anglo Saxon times, there was a concept called Wergild (sometimes translated as blood money). In that system, if someone in your family was offended against by someone from another family, then your family rocked up to them and demanded wergild - sometimes the debt was paid in cattle etc. Traditionally Māori had similar systems like muru, where the whānau exacted payment from the wrongdoers whānau by raiding their home and taking things. Similar system to wergild. Over the centuries we have decided to give up that sort of system and leave it all in the hands of the state - in other words, the offence is no longer against you, it is an offence against the state, and they apprehend, prosecute, and sentence. That leaves you right out of things except as a witness, and I think that is one of the reasons why victims think the system is so unfair. Restorative justice is apparently an attempt to get some balance back. You could try to appeal to the girl's parents' better nature (yeah, right) or see if you can take them to the Disputes Tribunal. |
John H (8) | ||
| 721169 | 2008-11-19 02:32:00 | Thats right parents are responsible for their kids . Take the girls parent(s) care giver to the dispute tribunal you have got nothing to lose. | prefect (6291) | ||
| 721170 | 2008-11-19 04:38:00 | Second time you've started a bull**** thread based on info from your wife, SolMiester. May I suggest that you stop letting her out of the kitchen? Sound thinking Roddo. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 721171 | 2008-11-19 04:56:00 | That's not something you hear every day. :eek: | pcuser42 (130) | ||
| 721172 | 2008-11-19 17:06:00 | :lol: | rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
| 721173 | 2008-11-20 04:28:00 | And add Hard Labour And bread and water And video them And Play it once a week on all 4 major channels. And the jail is the new one I am building on the desert road with no heating (bring your own blankets and every cell has a handy hook screwed into the ceiling. Should stop offending by others pretty quickly |
Digby (677) | ||
| 721174 | 2008-11-20 04:59:00 | Sounds like just what we need Digby. 6 foot walls, floor and ceiling, one door in and out. no need for guards to corrupt, just lock them in and leave them to it. |
Bantu (52) | ||
| 721175 | 2008-11-20 06:01:00 | Killing a child, Life. But the problem is in NZ life means 15 years out in 8.. Need life = 99 years.. |
paulw (1826) | ||
| 721176 | 2008-11-20 11:31:00 | Life should mean the rot in a cell til they die. No chance of parole. No contact with the outside world. | rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
| 721177 | 2008-11-20 14:51:00 | I am in generally favour of capital punishment for murder, and definitely in favour for treason; however, there is a problem with the Police setting their sights on the wrong person. Unfortunately this has happened too often to be comfortable with topping murderers, no doubt Arthur Allan Thomas was stitched up by a Police Prosecution that deliberately ignored and suppressed evidence that detracted from their tunnel vision approach to the investigation. Evans was hanged in the UK in the early fifties on the evidence of Christie who it was subsequently proved had committed that murder. Christie was subsequently hanged, but it is bloody hard to adequately apologise to Evans. One of the aspects of the NZ crimes act that perturbs me, is that offences that to the ordinary man in the street are murder, so often get downgraded to manslaughter. One case that springs to mind was a very nasty killing of an elderly Doctor in Foxton by some low lifes after drugs, they also sexually assaulted his elderly sister - Charged with manslaughter because it could not be established that the offenders intended to kill the doctor when they beat his skull to pulp. While there are degrees of murder in many jurisdictions, in NZ there is murder or manslaughter and maybe the politicians and legal fraternity need to sort this out and ensure the punishment fits the crime. If we are going to hand down a "life" sentence for the deliberate unlawful killing of another, then Life should mean Life, or at least serving time till the offended reaches the 3 score years and 10. Equally important, lets stop this business of people serving sentences in relative comfort - it should be bloody unpleasant - a prison sentence should be sufficiently unpleasant that anyone who has served a spell inside doesn't want a repeat dose. We need a deterent punishment before we start the touchy feely business of rehabilitating people who have deliberately broken our laws and seriously harmed or killed others. In my 22 years in the Armed Forces, I never came across a serviceman who has done a stretch in a military glasshouse who was blase about it or wanted to experience a second stretch. |
KenESmith (6287) | ||
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