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Thread ID: 95414	2008-12-05 07:59:00	Mexico Asks For It Back	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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726004	2008-12-05 07:59:00	Some in Mexico want the death penalty reinstated . Anger and frustration over rampant killings and kidnappings have ignited an improbable debate here over legalizing the death penalty, a punishment that has been effectively banned in Mexico for nearly half a century . Mexican lawmakers agreed Thursday to hear arguments next week on a proposal to amend the Mexican Constitution to allow for capital punishment in a narrow number of cases . The initiative from Humberto Moreira, governor of the northern border state of Coahuila, would allow the death penalty for convicted kidnappers who killed or mutilated their victims . He said as far as the people of his state were concerned, the only issue was how to execute convicts, not whether to do so . violence is spilling into ordinary society . Two recent kidnappings of children of affluent Mexicans -- one turned up dead and the other has not been found -- underlined the public's vulnerability . As much as the crimes themselves, the fact that there are few prosecutions -- impunity and no justice -- riles Mexican society . "If 98% of criminals escape prosecution for their crimes, it is clear that the population feels wounded and tends to support capital punishment," Gerardo Priego, a legislator from the ruling National Action Party, or PAN, told reporters . Moreira's initiative received quick support from several state governors from his Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI . But critics accused Moreira of demagoguery and of taking advantage of the public mood for political gain . Mexico City's Human Rights Commission said a return to state-administered executions would set the country back 200 years . "Behind this call [for the death penalty] is society's desperation over the climate of insecurity we are living in," said Alberto Herrera, head of the Mexico chapter of Amnesty International . "But the risk is it leads to calls for revenge . Times of desperation are the worst times to go for facile solutions . " Cop-killing Mexican Nationals (illegal aliens here in the US) escape back to their country to hide in plain sight as the authorities here are getting frustrated with Mexico's attitude over the impunity of the offenses, and as they have done so for the fifty years since the death penalty has been rescinded there . The wanton deaths and mutilations in the US by these murders has gone on a long time - since the drug cartels moved a lot closer to the Mexican-US Border about thirty years ago . Now, the same fugitives are flaunting their presence in their home land with interviews and videos of how they travel to the US, kill a few drug thieves from their own ranks, and fall back across the border only to do it all again in a week or two . Now their lawless bird has come home to roost in Mexico; Tijuana, Mexicali and Tecate are some of the most dangerous places for even the Mexican citizens to walk the street . Kidnappings and robberies of American and European tourists and even rich and affluent Mexican business men and their families are not exempt of horrible, defacing and mutilating kidnappings for very high ransoms . Major US corporations, European and Japanese too have reconsidered building and installing their companies and manufacturing plants in Mexico since the security of their employees cannot be guaranteed or secured . Many large companies have closed their doors and flown back to their country of origin for better safety .	SurferJoe46 (51)
726005	2008-12-05 18:32:00	Yes I have read quite often lately that Mexico is becoming very lawless and drug-lord run - poor police and justice system etc. That is a warning for all other countries. As your quote says no one will want to invest there or anywhere where there is lawlessness. Somalia would be the best example.	Digby (677)
726006	2008-12-05 19:21:00	Need someone like Edge to sort them out.	prefect (6291)
726007	2008-12-06 01:51:00	Need someone like Edge to sort them out. Or Dirty Harry!	Cicero (40)
726008	2008-12-06 03:19:00	Back in April F&Ps John Bongard said this: "F&P chief executive John Bongard said today the company's new global manufacturing strategy would see three manufacturing facilities moved from New Zealand, Australia and the US to Thailand, Italy and Mexico." I wonder following the unrest in Thailand and Mexico whether he will be be so keen on these moves in a years time. www.nzherald.co.nz	Terry Porritt (14)
726009	2008-12-06 03:24:00	Blardy good point Terrance. It might not be such a good idea anymore. Thailand looks like the natives are revolting. The crime rate in Mexico would sure put me off investing money there. (although to be fair I dont have any money lol.)	prefect (6291)
726010	2008-12-06 04:28:00	Might it nor be a good idea to get our own house in order before worrying about others? :rolleyes: The atrocities that have happened in NZ recently are up with the worst you would find anywhere. Torturing and murdering children rates right up the top of the list for me and there are twenty or so scumbags out there that wouldn’t be wasting oxygen if I had my way. ;)	B.M. (505)
726011	2008-12-06 05:40:00	Might it nor be a good idea to get our own house in order before worrying about others? :rolleyes: The atrocities that have happened in NZ recently are up with the worst you would find anywhere. Torturing and murdering children rates right up the top of the list for me and there are twenty or so scumbags out there that wouldn’t be wasting oxygen if I had my way. ;) It would be. But until the politicians go beyond home detention for killing someone we're not going to get anywhere..	paulw (1826)
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