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Thread ID: 95585	2008-12-11 01:13:00	Manual or Automatic	Roscoe (6288)	PC World Chat

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727650	2008-12-11 21:47:00	Re insurance. I have driven for 10+ years and not one demerit point / speeding fine etc.. or accident. I then got my first car under my name they want $1,000 for insurance, my mum got it and put me there for $650, if it was just mum .. it would of been just $350. We got it at AMI cos they didn't like AA. From what I think, AMI does not give discounts to good drivers unless you have been with them of a long time. AA does give discount even if you had not been their customer provided you had good driving history. The car value is $12,000.	Nomad (952)
727651	2008-12-11 22:16:00	After driving manual for 38 years I now have an auto. There are good points and bad points on both. I would own either dose not worry me. With todays auto with 4, 5 and 6 speed gear boxes and lock up clutches they are just as economical and as fast as manual. In the early days autos only had 2 and 3 gears and no lock up clutch. :) I have just developed a horrid mental picture of my dad's old Lancer. 1.3, 3 speed auto. It blew up at 190,000 km, rings, head gasket.... It was the single most distasteful car I've ever driven, it was a happy day when it blew up. He got a nice Nissan, and then promptly got rear ended at 70kph by some dumb blonde ***** (www.imagef1.net.nz), completley wrote off the car (www.imagef1.net.nz). Such is life. He got another Nissan after that too. Sentra SR-16 5 speed manual. Much better! :D	wratterus (105)
727652	2008-12-11 22:36:00	I remember a lady who use to live next door to me years ago had a 1.3 Ford Escort 3 speed auto, talk about a gutless wonder. The noise it made you thought it was doing 160kph but was only doing 50kph. :)	Trev (427)
727653	2008-12-11 23:11:00	"D" is for going forward "R" is for going backwards "Overdrive" left on at all times - the box sorts that out for you. "P" is for going nowhere Not much else to think about with autos. What's the fuss about. I have had nothing but auto cars for the last 25 years. Never worn one out or needed repair. I don't change gears. That is why one buys an auto. If you are towing a boat/caravan get a manual. Much better for the job. My thoughts Ken :banana PS I have a gammy left leg, hence the auto. PPS I average 9.7L/100K around Napier in my '98 2.2L Camry	kenj (9738)
727654	2008-12-11 23:13:00	I remember a lady who use to live next door to me years ago had a 1.3 Ford Escort 3 speed auto, talk about a gutless wonder. The noise it made you thought it was doing 160kph but was only doing 50kph. :) They are gutless because the auto sucks up the power and returns it as heat to the atmosphere via the trans cooler. The difference between a BLMC 1300 manual and auto was quite sharp less power and more gas on the auto 1300.	prefect (6291)
727655	2008-12-11 23:21:00	"Overdrive" left on at all times - the box sorts that out for you. Overdrive is in effect 5th. Leaving it on means its totally gutless on take off.	pctek (84)
727656	2008-12-11 23:59:00	Overdrive is in effect 5th. Leaving it on means its totally gutless on take off. Hmmmnn - hadn't noticed that at all. Goes through all the gears one at a time as it is supposed to. Mind you, I am a soft foot driver and car rarely goes above 2500rpm around town. Except if travelling long distance. It get a bit of a work out going north on the Napier/Taupo road - if you know that road you will understand what I mean. Ken	kenj (9738)
727657	2008-12-12 00:24:00	The noise it made you thought it was doing 160kph but was only doing 50kph. :lol: That reminds me of the Mrs - at least three times a week, while shes driving over the wainui hill, she meets up with what she calls "Little Dicks" with their hotted up cars all the bells and whistles screaming their guts out and she just drops a gear ( manual) from 4th to 3rd in her little stock Nisson Sunny and leaves them in the dust. :D	wainuitech (129)
727658	2008-12-12 01:23:00	Overdrive is in effect 5th. Leaving it on means its totally gutless on take off. I concede PC that you are a great IT-person, but that isn't true what you said about overdrive. The OD is only a forth gear on most all transmissions made after... .uh... ..1988 ... ..or so. What happens that confuses everybody is the lock-up in the torque converter that everyone SWEARS is another shift. It is not. OD can only happen after you have passed through all the lower gears because it is NOT a separate transmission or OD unit attached to the driveshaft that would act like you assumed. Modern ODs are just another gear in the transmission, albeit a slight numerical disadvantage. Lock up CAN occur in all gears but first, and only in a cruise or "maintain speed" throttle position. It will uncouple if the throttle gets pressed beyond a set value and a set vehicle speed (via the governer or ECM) and the converter then acts like it's name implies: a torque converter. There is ONE other exception to the Lock-up situation though: it can go into lock-up if the transmission gets hotter than it is programmed to be and then the torque converter is in essence no longer a torque CONVERTER, but a direct-drive assembly that tries to cool the fluid and save the transmission. It will uncouple at shift-points because no-one would understand the shock and hard hit a transmission makes when the fluid coupling is not acting like a fluid shock absorber. This is called the TCC or LOCK-UP APPLICATION. If one persists in driving with the OD turned off, and the transmission gets too hot, there's a possibility that the lock-up will also not engage and you can fry the transmission. You have after all, taken the ECM (vehicle computer) out of the protection business and told it that you know better. You don't. The shift pattern with moderate throttle is as follows: FIRST GEAR <shift> SECOND GEAR <shift> THIRD GEAR TCC LOCK UP <shift> FORTH GEAR (Which is overdrive) LOCK-UP If you accelerate with full throttle, you may skip over the TCC in between the lower gears or not - it depends on the ECM programming. Here is a list of some common transmissions and their gear ratios, as you can see, they all have OD tagged onto the end of the gear count and they are really just another gear! Some of these don't even have OD or a third gear. ................1st....2nd...3rd...OD....Reverse GM Powerglide..1.76.. 1.00.. ................1.76 TH350........2.52..1.52.. 1.00.. ........1.93 TH400........2.48..1.48.. 1.00.. ........2.00 700R4........3.06..1.62.. 1.00.. .0.70..2.29 4L60E........3.06.. 1.62.. 1.00.. 0.70.. 2.29 4L80E........2.48.. 1.48.. 1.00.. 0.75.. 2.08 Chrysler 727...........2.45.. 1.45.. 1.00 904...........2.70.. 1.54.. 1.00 518...........2.45.. 1.45.. 1.00.. 0.69 500...........2.74.. 1.54.. 1.00.. 0.69 Ford C-4 & C-6..2.46.. 1.46.. 1.00 Modern transmissions do NOT apply OD in the lower ranges and therefor the power is the same with it on or off. Like IT is your game, transmission are MY game.	SurferJoe46 (51)
727659	2008-12-12 01:42:00	Joe: Just the type of thing us non-mechanical people need to know. Thanks. A big help. Have to agree: each to his own and I have noticed that anyone with any motoring related posts tend to receive and excellent reply from you. We need someone to sort out the uninitiated and you do that very well.:thanks Even the best soothsayer in the business would have difficulty predicting where an F1 thread would end up. At least we stayed, sort of, on the right track this time. You did not tell us your preference and why? We'd all be interested to know your opinion, Joe.:)	Roscoe (6288)
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