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| Thread ID: 95585 | 2008-12-11 01:13:00 | Manual or Automatic | Roscoe (6288) | PC World Chat |
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| 727620 | 2008-12-11 02:38:00 | Not sure but can ou rev up in N and then shift it in .. that scream .. You can do that - for a while or a few times - whatever occurs first. Have you ever seen the size of the parts that take that hit when you dump a transmission into gear from neutral? Look here and see for yourself. #1 (lh4.ggpht.com) This is the front pump and a small stack of the clutches and fiber friction material. BTW: The friction material is just sorta like a coating of paper. #2 (lh3.ggpht.com) This is the INTERMEDIATE sprag and it does not like to get slammed! |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 727621 | 2008-12-11 03:10:00 | Not sure but can ou rev up in N and then shift it in .. that scream .. Yeah but thats the sound of a panicking transmission, not the engine. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 727622 | 2008-12-11 03:13:00 | At 68 I have never owned an auto transmission car in the some 25 plus cars I have owned in my life- this has been as a matter of personal choice - Simple - manual transmissions give one more control over the car - engine braking comes naturally (the old rule on a steep hill with a heavily laden vehicle one should decend in the same gear one would ascend in, is still a sensible practice) - also better fuel economy is another reason, and if one is going for speed on a winding road with plenty of ascents or decents you can push a lot harder with a manual box than an auto. I am now looking at another new vehicle to possibly see me out, as far as my driving days go, and I must admit, the vehicle that is heading the list is the Volkswagen Passat Wagon 2.0Lt Turbo Diesel with the 6 Speed DSG (Direct Shift Gearbox) transmission - this a manual transmisssion with a double gearset and double clutch arrangement, that operates on a preselection basis giving 3-4 100ths of a second changes - it can also be used in a tiptronic or sports mode - it appears to give the best of both worlds. |
KenESmith (6287) | ||
| 727623 | 2008-12-11 03:51:00 | We had two auto cars in the family. One gearbox packed a sad and it cost a fortune to fix (it was also full time 4WD, which complicated things according to the harassed auto transmission mechanic). As the gearbox in the other car looked like it might have reached its normal life span, I flicked that car and bought a manual. The auto transmission specialist said that when anything goes wrong with auto and you have to take the box out, you may as well do a full recon of the box because the expense of taking it out and opening it up is so high that you may as well do everything. He said that with a manual box, in general terms you get several small hits (of expenses for repairs). With an auto box, you get one BIG hit in the pocket. Personally, I prefer manual transmission because of the control, and because so much of the driving we do is on hills, I prefer to manually select gears for uphill and downhill. I also thought I had less engine braking on downhills with an auto box. I have been a motorcyclist since my teen years, and I guess I drive a car the way I ride a bike - using the gearbox a lot. I use the gearbox in a car for engine braking a lot, and to keep the revs up because Jap cars perform better when the gearbox is used for passing, hill driving etc. I gave up on auto boxes when I found they weren't as user friendly for that style of driving. I did use the selector manually, especially on hills, but never felt it was getting the best out of the car. Fuel consumption sucked too - literally. |
John H (8) | ||
| 727624 | 2008-12-11 04:00:00 | I've read that the recon of the gears don't last long they tend to suggest pple to avoid buying cars with a recon gears. In my view given cars are so easy to come by, if the auto gears go .. I might as well get another car. Having said try to look after it .. a car we use just for w'ends, 1.3L auto 4 door Mazda Familiar sedan, from 1992, bought in 1995, still goes, had some panel beating work done for rust around the boot hinge. Engine is perfect as well as the gears. With the petrol, at my guess auto takes 20-25% more than manual for a similar car. |
Nomad (952) | ||
| 727625 | 2008-12-11 04:08:00 | Performance-wise and fuel economy-wise, the autos far out perform the manuals now. | SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 727626 | 2008-12-11 04:11:00 | I only drive a manual for the following reasons 1. No probs with towing ie the stupid auto gearbox isnt constantly changing stages and need a trans cooler for heavy towing 2. Manual has engine braking 3. Autos use more fuel than manuals 4. Extra cost for servicing ATF is blardy expensive ( manual almost nil other than checking oil level every few years). Manual OEP oil 90 grade will last the lifetime of the car without changing. Although a change at the first 10 000 k will get the metal bits out from run in. 5. And the biggy, autos cost an arm and a leg to fix and boy they all need fixing sooner than later at relatively low kilometres and chrono time as the seals go. Quite often repair cost is a lot more than car is worth. Manuals on the other hand now days are bullet proof probaly get a few million ks out of japper one. 6. The joy of being able to double the clutch, drop down a few gears and boot it. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 727627 | 2008-12-11 04:52:00 | I only drive a manual for the following reasons 1 . No probs with towing ie the stupid auto gearbox isnt constantly changing stages and need a trans cooler for heavy towing . THIS PROVES THAT YOU DIDN'T READ THE OWNER'S MANUAL ON THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION . 2 . Manual has engine braking . . AND SO DOES THE AUTO 3 . Autos use more fuel than manuals NO . . . . . THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE FALLACY AND ANECDOTAL AT BEST AS IT PERTAINS TO 1936 HUDSON HORNETS AND OTHER VINTAGE VEHICLES 4 . Extra cost for servicing ATF is blardy expensive ( manual almost nil other than checking oil level every few years) . Manual OEP oil 90 grade will last the lifetime of the car without changing . Although a change at the first 10 000 k will get the metal bits out from run in . NEW MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS DON'T EVEN USE 90WT, SO I KNOW YOUR INFO IS ANTIQUATED: THEY USE 5WT OR 10WT OR MULTI-GRADE ENGINE OILS NOW, NOT HEAVY DUTY GREASE . NO METAL IS THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF CONTAMINATION, NOT SOME "RUN-IN" CHIPS, . . . . . WHICH DON'T EXIST . 5 . And the biggy, autos cost an arm and a leg to fix and boy they all need fixing sooner than later at relatively low kilometres and chrono time as the seals go . Quite often repair cost is a lot more than car is worth . Manuals on the other hand now days are bullet proof probaly get a few million ks out of japper one . HEAVY DUTY LINE TRUCKS WITH OVER 2 MILLION REAL MILES, NOT KILOMETERS ON THEM, ARE USING ALLISON AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS ALL OVER THE US AS THE MOST EFFICIENT AND MOST AFFORDABLE UNITS TO BUY AND MAINTAIN . IF THEY DID COST MORE (AND THEY DON'T) THE TRUCK FLEETS WOULD NOT USE THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE . THE ADDED BONUS TO THE FLEET OWNERS IS THAT THERE ISN'T A LOOSE CANON DRIVING AND GEAR-JAMMING THE 13-SPEED TO DEATH AND FRYING THE CLUTCH . HAULING 80,000 LBS OF FREIGHT AT FREEWAY SPEEDS, OVER DESERTS AND SNOWED IN MOUNTAINS IS A REAL TEST OF THE AUTOMATICS TOO . THEY RUN COOLER, WASTE LESS FUEL AND COST LESS TO THE BEAN COUNTERS IN THE LONG HAUL . IF THERE WAS FUEL WASTE FROM A/T INEFFICIENCY AS YOU STATE, THE MONEY PEOPLE WOULD INSIST ON MANUAL TRANSMISSION IN A NEW YORK MINUTE . 6 . The joy of being able to double the clutch, drop down a few gears and boot it . SO . . . YOU HAVE TO DOUBLE-CLUTCH A FULLY-SYNCHRO'D MANUAL TRANSMISSION? THAT MEANS 1) YOU DESTROYED THE SYNCHRO-SLIDERS BY BAD SHIFTING TECHNIQUES 2) YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE GOTTEN AWAY FROM "ROCK-CRUSHER" TRANSMISSIONS WITH NO SYNCHROS, BUT THAT WAS IN THE LATE 1940S I BELIEVE AND YOU MAY NOT BE UP TO SPEED . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 727628 | 2008-12-11 05:05:00 | I drive a manual for the following reasons. -I don't care That is to say they both suit me, But the manual was quite a few grand cheaper. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 727629 | 2008-12-11 05:09:00 | Auto for me. I used to think manual,intelligence clicked and it's auto all the way. |
Cicero (40) | ||
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