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Thread ID: 95585	2008-12-11 01:13:00	Manual or Automatic	Roscoe (6288)	PC World Chat

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727770	2008-12-24 04:59:00	Was it the rear wheels indicating 90 mph or the front ones? ;) Speedo drive is off the gearbox so effectively it's the rear wheels. I think Joe might be creating a legend in his own mind here, that's roughly the equivalent of pulling about a 10 second flying quarter mile while driving anti-clockwise in a circle. I doubt there's a '59 Chev on the planet that could grip that well and centrifugal force would be sliding the driver across the front bench seat so he'd be hanging onto the wheel for grim death. Back when Joe had this dream, real men in '59 Chevs didn't wear seat belts either. Hell, they probably weren't even installed. Cheers Billy 8-{) :D	Billy T (70)
727771	2008-12-24 05:26:00	VW's used to drive the speedo from the front, but - - - only they and motorbikes played that trick I believe with RWD. I was sort of hinting that the bottom surface of the rear tyres may well have been managing 90 mph amid all the smoke (but the bottom of the front tyres would have been stationary ;) ) The car would have been doing considerably less than 90 mph. On a well known roundabout / circle in one Tree Hill Park, I witnessed a Willys Whippet (?) doing an indicated 40 mph for a few laps, all aided by a surplus of youth and fermented beverages - remember, that was done on wood spoked wheels. Possibly the origin of the "Hot Wheels" ?	R2x1 (4628)
727772	2008-12-24 06:25:00	Speedo drive is off the gearbox so effectively it's the rear wheels. I think Joe might be creating a legend in his own mind here, that's roughly the equivalent of pulling about a 10 second flying quarter mile while driving anti-clockwise in a circle. I doubt there's a '59 Chev on the planet that could grip that well and centrifugal force would be sliding the driver across the front bench seat so he'd be hanging onto the wheel for grim death. Back when Joe had this dream, real men in '59 Chevs didn't wear seat belts either. Hell, they probably weren't even installed. Cheers Billy 8-{) :D You forget that I drove this car in 1/4 miles drag races at Lions' Drag Strip in Long Beach, CA., and it was MANDATORY that I have a 5-point full racing safety harness on. I drove with it constantly, as it just dug into my back if I didn't buckle it on when I drove. The helmet harness could be tossed over the seat however and I could ignore the leg restraints. I had a 301ci bored out 283 (.125" inch overbore) and a Duntov/Chet Herbert .030/.030 cam and a pair of AFB quads that developed over 400hp, and coupled to a B&M manual valve-bodied slant pan Hydro, it was very capable indeed. Shifts at 8000+rpm were common and I ran 10.10's at 130.00mph in the quarter mile consistently. I took out a lot of weight to get that sortta speed and on the street, I ran Casler Cheaters in the rear and Pirellis on the front. They stuck to the road pretty good. Posi-Traction was all the rage, and I had it set up really tight so there was an almost live axle in the rear. It had no substantial traction problems on the street or the strip. American roundy-round racing is counter clockwise as is our custom and I had Pontiac bucket seats in the front, no seat in the back and the trunk was gutted. When I went street racing, it was for pink slips (certificates of ownership) and I made very sure that I would win every time. The front buckets were to circumvent the requirement of a seat for the driver, but I always removed the passenger side for racing, strip or street. I actually won over 75 vehicles after just six months of driving that car when I retired it from the street and dedicated it totally to the drag strip because it was getting "hot" with the gendarmes, if you know what I mean.	SurferJoe46 (51)
727773	2008-12-26 02:36:00	Oooooookay . . . . . So that was your setup for going fast in a straight line . That wouldn't corner quite so well doing 360 circuits at 90mph . So what were your set up and suspension changes for your roundabout races? Wallpapering your room with pink slips was great on the swings, but wouldn't be a lot of help on the roundabout . Just curious, big talk needs big facts . I don't doubt you had the hardware, your PF1 track record kinda guarantees that, but did you have the set up? Cheers Billy 8-{) ;)	Billy T (70)
727774	2008-12-26 04:48:00	Billy.... I ran a 1958 or 59 Pontiac Bonneville HUGE rear end, complete from axle flange to axle flange and I had dual lower parallel links that kept the rear tires in parallel with each other at all times. I took off the original upper traction stabilizer bars (those old V8 Chevys had four parallel-uneven-links two on top, two on the bottom for the rear suspension with the coils sitting on the lower, longer arms (very sloppy and soft too); the L6 engined-cars had only three links, two lower and one puny upper on the passenger's side of the differential to the upper frame. Every time I got into it I'd rip the upper arms off or tear out the upper frame joints constantly, and I was just experimenting with a way to keep that rear end actually UNDER the car for more than one race. Welding the lower arms directly to the differential case was the next best idea I had. I wrapped a 4" X 3/8" (close to 10cm wide X 10mm thick) strap-steel from under those arms and around the axle housing back to the top of the control arms again, welding it all the way, 100%. Unorthodox? Yup! But wherever the rear end went in attitude or roll, so did the rest of the car. Wheel hop on acceleration was totally gone and the resulting footprint from pushing the rear wheels DOWN into the roadway was just what I wanted! Coupled with Posi-Traction© in the rears and 90/10 shox up in the front, I found I could get also the whole car into a smokin' power slide that was just - er - controlled and predictable. Imagine that! Whatever the rear wheels were doing was exactly what the whole body of the car was doing - around turns - up diagonals (fun to the max!) - and during acceleration off the line, and get this: the rear end (body) of the vehicle jumped UP when the wheels squatted DOWN. This was perfect for weight transfer off the line, and surprisingly, it also made the car very stable around turns too. It was a 100% stiff anti-sway bar to the max! The whole rear axle swung like a garden gate. The front tires were just along for the ride and pointing the car where I wanted it to go, and the rear end followed like an Australian smelling an open bottle of beer. Remember that I was smokin' the rear tires all the 'way around that traffic circle too. It got so smoky that I had to quit even if I didn't hear sirens in the distance - it was too hard to see the curbs. Nope...I really did it! Honestly. Wish you'd've been there! We couldda had a lot of fun street racing when we wuz was younger. I just don't do that ennymore.	SurferJoe46 (51)
727775	2008-12-28 00:27:00	Hey, Billy! I've got a pix or two hanging around here some place, but here's one from a while back (late 1960s) at Lion's Drag Strip in Wilmington, CA . See if you can find me in it . {Hint: On a tire - looking at you} LINK ( . ggpht . com/_Zba6mXGkeuA/SMP8qBw-lBI/AAAAAAAAAqw/fHK_TnWaHmU/LionsStaging . jpg" target="_blank">lh6 . ggpht . com) This was a BB/F dragster I built . Ran the ¼ in the mid-9's @170 mph .	SurferJoe46 (51)
727776	2008-12-28 00:42:00	See if you can find me in it. {Hint: On a tire - looking at you} Sorted www.imagef1.net.nz	Metla (12)
727777	2008-12-28 01:52:00	Sorted www.imagef1.net.nz It was my brown eyes that gave me away..right? I just noticed that this had to be taken in the very early 1970s though. That's either a '71 or '72 Ford F100 truck to my right.	SurferJoe46 (51)
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