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Thread ID: 95616	2008-12-12 05:03:00	US Car Bail-out Fails In Senate	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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728097	2008-12-12 05:03:00	Me personally? I think they should all go bankrupt. That way they can get rid of the unions sucking the blood out of the cars and get the deadwood off their butts and into the streets where they were before the unions forced the Big-Three to hire idiots and ne'er-do-wells. Shake the business out with a good Chapter Eleven and let the chips fall where they may...but then again.......... A $14bn (£9.4bn) bail-out package for the beleaguered US car industry has died in the Senate after failing to get enough support in a procedural vote. The failure came after bipartisan talks on the rescue plan collapsed over Republican demands that the United Auto Workers union agree to swift wage cuts. A White House spokesman said it was disappointed Congress had "failed to act" and would "evaluate its options". The House of Representatives passed the White House-backed bill on Wednesday. The Democrats need some Republicans to back the bill in the Senate as they have a majority of just one, and some in their own party are expected to vote against it. Here's the kicker though.... The Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, said he was "terribly disappointed" when it was clear the vote had collapsed, calling it a "a loss for the country". "I dread looking at Wall Street tomorrow. It's not going to be a pleasant sight," he said.	SurferJoe46 (51)
728098	2008-12-12 09:28:00	Well, if all those auto workers were single guys with only themselves to support - that's one thing. But from what little I know of the US welfare system, their wives & kids may be the major sufferers. And is it true that there's no hospital coverage unless you're employed? Or do people take out their own health insurance privately, so they're covered even if they lose a job?	Laura (43)
728099	2008-12-12 09:43:00	Workers need all the protection they can get in the US. If you're not rich in the states, you're toast. No healthcare, welfare etc... Why is it important to destroy well-paying jobs? Besides, On average US Autoworkers working for GM, Chrysler & Ford only earn about $3.00 per hour more than those at Japanese/European plants in the US. The Big (or should that be 'Fat & Retarded') 3 are going bust because no-one wants to buy their bad-taste, tacky, vulgar, gas-guzzling, tech dinosaur, knuckle-dragging cars. This is a golden opportunity for the incoming Obama administration offer loans conditional on designing, building and properly promoting fuel-efficient vehicles that drive well and look cool too.	supersi (8401)
728100	2008-12-12 09:51:00	I hope Chrysler and GM just crawl away and die just like the marques De Soto and Hudson. Good riddance and no thanks for your crap cars. We in NZ have had the last laugh we drove around in small 1000 cc cars like Morries marvelling at the huge Yank tanks wallowing like fat pigs whenever they braked. Now look who is laughing we Moriarty and Angle box drivers. Think of the trillions of gallons of petrol those monsters consumed all those dead dinosaurs burned up and wasted makes me want to puke.	prefect (6291)
728101	2008-12-12 10:38:00	I hope Chrysler and GM just crawl away and die just like the marques De Soto and Hudson. Good riddance and no thanks for your crap cars. We in NZ have had the last laugh we drove around in small 1000 cc cars like Morries marvelling at the huge Yank tanks wallowing like fat pigs whenever they braked. Now look who is laughing we Moriarty and Angle box drivers. Think of the trillions of gallons of petrol those monsters consumed all those dead dinosaurs burned up and wasted makes me want to puke. No, go on, tell us what you REALLY think of US carmakers.	beeswax34 (63)
728102	2008-12-12 11:15:00	If Ford USA sinks, would Ford Australia sink with it? I'd be gutted if it means Falcons are coming to an end. :(	qazwsxokmijn (102)
728103	2008-12-12 19:18:00	My brother would probably be pleased that Ford are going under. :D Holden ftw.	pcuser42 (130)
728104	2008-12-12 19:31:00	Ford will survive they make small cars	prefect (6291)
728105	2008-12-12 20:41:00	My brother would probably be pleased that Ford are going under. :D Holden ftw. GM are in trouble too!	johcar (6283)
728106	2008-12-13 04:25:00	NOTICE: THIRTY WORD LIMIT IS BROKEN MULTIPLE TIMES The US has free things...all sorts of free things, but not for it's citizens. Yeah...it's tough to get medical care in the US unless you are here illegally and just go to the nearest emergency room in a hospital for your primary care. This costs the taxpayers so much money that the medical facilities are overrun with people who don't have a primary-care physician, and destroy the very reason for an emergency room in the first place: emergencies. By law the doctors and hospitals may NOT refuse to care for and medicate anyone entering their doors. A true triage-type emergency - however - has to wade through non-emergency people who tie up the doctors and hospitals with head colds, birth control and childhood fevers, sniffles, sore throats, hangnails and headaches, mostly by illegal aliens who have "rights" to go to the hospitals because the US cannot discriminate against them as they have "constitutional rights", which by the way, they do NOT. In almost any hospital, there are hundreds if not half-thousands of people in a week who do not pay into, yet seek full medical attention for things that should not see an emergency room in the first place. If you were to walk into any medical emergency room in any city in the US, you'd find mothers with multiple children (anchor babies) who sit and wait for a doctor: people who do not speak the language and require translators because they have "constitutional rights", that they do not have and that they do not pay into with taxes or employment in legal activities. A citizen is totally squeezed out of primary care because these illegals cost so much money that the hospitals cannot seek reimbursement for because they are not allowed by law to ask if they are legal, illegal, can pay or not, whether they have or don't have insurance and even their names or adresses because the have "constitutional rights"...but they don't. Since the illegals don't use real IDs and real addresses or even any addresses at all, the bills go uncollected and unpaid forever. If you don't catch the full significance of this one scene, add to it: overcrowded schools with 60 to 70 students per teacher, overused free social programs like unemployment, mental health and childcare, overused courts, overused jails and prisons, overused police, overused fire departments and emergency services, overused free ambulances, overused free- or no-pay housing, overused free food stamps, overused WICA (Women, Infants, Children Assistance), overused non-taxable incomes under the table pay and therefor NO taxes paid either, sending monies home to the country of their birth, overused free medical prescriptions, overused free maternity care, pre- and post. overused free dental, translators for all civil facilities, overused free utilities and phone, overused interest-free housing loans, overused interest-free business loans, established businesses and start-up businesses, overused reduced rate airport fees and bus and public transportation fees, overused food discounts at free or near free markets, overused battered women's shelters, overused free childcare, it just goes on and one all because they demand their —"Constitutional Rights", which they don't have because they are NOT citizens. OH...and free or greatly-reduced auto insurance because they are underprivileged and cannot afford it. The social-medical-legal-educational facilities then raise the prices to the real citizens so they can offset the costs of doing business with people who demand their "constitutional rights"...which they do not have in the first place --- and refuse to pay for in the second. The employers then get to pay into a system that is broken by the heavy overhead of unpaid costs to any and all of these facilities and this rolls both uphill and downhill to all echelons of the employed-employer brackets. I can tell you why a jar of peanut butter costs as much as it does. And potato chips. And medical costs. And automobiles. And Housing loans. And food. Unions are the first cause and are therefor doubly-damnable, as they force by threats of strikes and walk-outs - that the employers pay higher and higher wages to people who aren't pulling their own, let alone any weight at all. After all the union whips and shop stewards and bosses in big desks - get their commissions on man hours, not the actual production numbers. These union "employees" will be paid to work on an assembly line, making the contracted number of units (cars, refrigerators, stereos, etc) and when that quota has been acheived, the rest of the day is spent playing cards, napping or just sitting around - smoking and joking with the others who have hit their union-ascribed "quota limit" for that day - until their shift is up and they clock out and go home, only to repeat the same cycle every day until they retire at 120% of their last-highest wage with full benefits too. Now...if you were to make - say 100 cars on a day - when the production could conceivable be over 250 cars and the unions say that you cannot work past that quota yet you will still get paid for a full 8-hour day and a promise of triple-overtime at holiday time (Easter, Christmas, Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr., National Gay and Lesbian Day, Wear Your Wife's Underwear Day, Presidents' Day, Fourth Of July, Eskimos In WW-II Day, Thanksgiving Day, Veterans Day, Columbus Day, Washington’s Birthday, Winter Solstice, Hanukkah, New Year’s Day, Kwanzaa, César Chávez's Birthday), (and bonuses expected to be paid for them and time off) --- you can see that the productive days are few indeed yet the costs are out of sight. So what's this got to do with The Big Three and their current problems? They are greedy, evil, spoiled brats and thieves in the highest places who are exempt of morality and social consciences at all. Everybody is out to get "theirs" first at the expense of anyone else - because they receive immunity from their cronies in the White House and Congress. It's totally corrupt. If a big-wheel gets caught with his hands in the cookie jar, then there's always a president who can (and usually does) grant a full pardon at the end of their term. Supreme Court and Superior Court Judges are morally bankrupt, pandering to Hollywood and the "pretty people" and the person in the trenches is just beaten with more inflation, higher taxes and lower civil services; yet the resident aliens get theirs. The US has come full-circle into socialism, and although that sounds bad on the surface, the credo is to be a Federalist republic, which it is NOT. When even countries like Sweden - a full-blown socialist regime - is actually lowering taxes in this current crisis, and China is lowering it's tariffs and taxes and opening up social programs for their citizens, yet the US is adding more and more odious loads on people who have no spines nor the inclination to do anything other than just run rat-like, full-tilt in survival mode, then things are indeed bad. Scurrying rats have no true goals but getting food, sex and shelter - but not necessarily in that order. Just wait until food becomes almost impossible to get or buy! The US prints more and more paper, and the citizens just go about their heads bowed, being told that the only way out of this is to tax and spent more and more. After all, the US is the deep pocket for the rest of the world and it has to keep up appearances or lose face. I am not a nationalist in even the slightest sense nor do I play one on television - - but I can say with impunity that when the US sneezes the whole world catches a cold...but only for a little while longer. What I firmly believe is that - like a recent Pravda (Russian) news article said: "The US will not exist for it's next presidential election. It is both financially and morally bankrupt". This obviates the question: "What happened to the magnificent one-horse shay?" — just as bubbles do when they burst. It was built in such a logical way that it ran a hundred years to a day. % Oliver Wendell Holmes	SurferJoe46 (51)
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