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Thread ID: 105766	2009-12-13 19:54:00	HHD won't boot from any other PC!	Chris09 (15218)	Press F1

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839238	2009-12-14 03:19:00	I don't know 'nothing' and they are aware of my ability yes. They are quite happy with it and I always make backups, like everyone should before any work is done anyway. Why would you backup for a cleanup? And how do you backup? USB Drive? Anyone who has installed windows on a computer will know that you can't just switch drives around different hardware. Windows 7 is pretty clever like that but I remember destroying a windows XP install way back by doing what you did. And don't take on PCTek, she knows her stuff just as much, if not more than anyone on here. And she's pretty tough for a woman :cool:	hueybot3000 (3646)
839239	2009-12-14 04:09:00	Why would you backup for a cleanup? I Have actually seen drives go completely unbootable and data lost, even after a so called simle clean up of spyware or viruses. When ever I workon someones PC I clone the drive before I start, that way if it all turns to custard at least theres a complete copy of the original drive - once the jobs finished the clone gets wiped. I don't understand the risks; people are making out like this was a big deal. Yet now I've finished the general clean, uninstalled Norton, and it's zipping away? Its not always plain sailing - its a matter of having the having the knowledge to get out the sh1t when things do go wrong. Every one has to learn - BUT not at the expense of someones data - if it did turn to crap because of a n00b ( as Sol so politely put it :D ) mistake would you know how to recover ??? And don't take on PCTek, she knows her stuff just as much, if not more than anyone on here :thumbs:Shes basically pointing out the same thing anyone who does this for a living ( me included) has seen countless times - some people think they know what they are doing, and when it all turns to :eek: they are lost. Classsic example I have here right now - a customers PC, the so called "local Expert" , not only managed to remove system files and make the system unbootable trying to remove a trojan, but the people are crapping themselves because all their data appears to be gone. ??? The poor lady was in tears this morning while I was there. Linux says the drives empty - Same with windows when slaved. The data recovery program the "expert" tried shows empty ???? So far I have recovered around 15GB of their data and music and family photos -- the rest will take a few more hours yet, but its comming. ;)	wainuitech (129)
839240	2009-12-14 05:07:00	Just adding to above - Now I have my own Office PC back up and going (excuse the muck up in the comments above, the one I used was slowwwwww , no spell check etc - old workshop PC) . Anyway the point, sometimes simple tasks go wrong -- Just finished putting in the complete system backup from last night, as after doing a clean with ccleaner, for some reason the damn thing instantly crashed, causing all sorts of system damage, and wouldn't boot, W7 - obviously something it didn't like . Can happen to the best of us at any time :p PS: the case I mentioned above about recovering data - 16 . 8GB and counting	wainuitech (129)
839241	2009-12-14 05:18:00	Okay, 1st, trying to boot with a different config can result in corruption of system files from BSOD . . . hence, noob offense and public beating . . . oops, I mean public humiliation! As for PCT, correct me if I am wrong, but you went on to describe a PC cleaning method to a tech who has their own business?! . . . . tut tut tut . . . . Right, well if that corruption had taken place, then it wouldn't have mattered, because I do full back ups anyway . I don't have any relationships with anyone here . How and why would I know that? I have more things to worry about, than someone else's personal life believe it or not . But congratz anyway . Why would you backup for a cleanup? And how do you backup? USB Drive? Anyone who has installed windows on a computer will know that you can't just switch drives around different hardware . Windows 7 is pretty clever like that but I remember destroying a windows XP install way back by doing what you did . And don't take on PCTek, she knows her stuff just as much, if not more than anyone on here . And she's pretty tough for a woman :cool: Why does anyone backup? I'll let you answer that yourself . Yes by USB . How would someone who installs Windows on a computer know that you cannot switch drives around different hardware? I don't know how you install Windows, but I don't move any drives in the process . Haha, so you did too huh? Bad luck . I suppose I was very lucky that I wasn't pwned eh? I don't take on anyone, nor like to . However I do not allow people to trample on me, whether more experienced or no . There are better ways to explain something than being rude . I Have actually seen drives go completely unbootable and data lost, even after a so called simle clean up of spyware or viruses . When ever I workon someones PC I clone the drive before I start, that way if it all turns to custard at least theres a complete copy of the original drive - once the jobs finished the clone gets wiped . Its not always plain sailing - its a matter of having the having the knowledge to get out the sh1t when things do go wrong . Every one has to learn - BUT not at the expense of someones data - if it did turn to crap because of a n00b ( as Sol so politely put it :D ) mistake would you know how to recover ??? :thumbs:Shes basically pointing out the same thing anyone who does this for a living ( me included) has seen countless times - some people think they know what they are doing, and when it all turns to :eek: they are lost . Classsic example I have here right now - a customers PC, the so called "local Expert" , not only managed to remove system files and make the system unbootable trying to remove a trojan, but the people are crapping themselves because all their data appears to be gone . ??? The poor lady was in tears this morning while I was there . Linux says the drives empty - Same with windows when slaved . The data recovery program the "expert" tried shows empty ??? ? So far I have recovered around 15GB of their data and music and family photos -- the rest will take a few more hours yet, but its comming . ;) Yes and so have I, because those files are infected . But regardless I backup before I do any work anyway, it doesn't matter what I do . That is customer satisfaction right there, and I have a referral if I am unable to help or cannot do what is asked . I have not come to that stage at all . Good on you for cloning . Much reassurance with a backup . Well, that is why I backup, to avoid recovery issues . But I have some recovery experience, yes . Well I never eat more than I can chew, I wouldn't do that at all . But I understand, especially after watching that target topic on computer repair men, with their poor job and poor skills - and I can understand how you, and others might feel about that, as do I . However in my neighborhood we have a lot of counterfeit software and operating systems that people are not aware of, so not only did I see this as an opportunity for a bit of pocket money, I learn and help people as well . At someone else's expensive? Only if they lose something yes, which they never will . Well awesome, that's good news . I personally would not take on the job of recovery just yet, because I don't feel confident in that area .	Chris09 (15218)
839242	2009-12-14 05:24:00	Must agree, PCT could have put it in a more diplomatic way, after all this is a help forum and not a your knob because you did it wrong forum. PCt needs to remember that she partcipates in this forum to give help and on the odd occasion to ask for.	plod (107)
839243	2009-12-14 05:52:00	Right, well if that corruption had taken place, then it wouldn't have mattered, because I do full back ups anyway . I don't have any relationships with anyone here . How and why would I know that? I have more things to worry about, than someone else's personal life believe it or not . But congratz anyway . I'll give you some more free advice . . . backups mean diddly swat to DRM if you have to trash and rebuild the o/s through corrupted system files, neither do profiles, hence WT's cloning of drives . . . . . You state you dont know about installing windows?, I gather that also means you dont understand Hardware API and hence the attempt at booting from a HDD from another system . I understand your keen to learn mate, but playing with others peoples data while you plug and play isnt kosher . . . . . Hardware\Software fault diagnostics isnt a fall back career for budding gamers or neighbourhood odd jobs as top up for pocket money, thats why most technicians\shops have liability insurance with their credentials . I guess you have got the message by now!	SolMiester (139)
839244	2009-12-14 06:35:00	I'll be learning the hardway I guess then eh? Going strong now. Thank you for your advice though.	Chris09 (15218)
839245	2009-12-14 07:04:00	I personally have learned a lot of things by either breaking or otherwise having faults with my own PCs. Probably the most fun I ever had was the time my registry was corrupted due to a hard drive fault, and the only other machine I had at the time was a 33mhz 386 with a 14k dialup modem Imagine the fun I had searching Microsoft online help with IE3 to work out how to recover the registry from System Restore backups through Recovery Console! (in 640x480 and 256 colours I might add)	Agent_24 (57)
839246	2009-12-15 04:17:00	I don't take on anyone, nor like to. However I do not allow people to trample on me, whether more experienced or no. There are better ways to explain something than being rude.While she may be a tad prickly at times, Pctek is also an extremely skilled technician. So is Wainuitech. So are many others on here. There is a vast difference between throwing some major (and hopefully useful) warnings your way, and 'trampling on' you. The simple fact is that you shouldn't be working on other people's PCs, as you don't have the necessary knowledge - and even worse, you don't seem to be able to tell when you're out of your depth. Well I never eat more than I can chew, I wouldn't do that at all.I don't believe that for a second - judging by your previous posts in this thread, you've been sword-swallowing and simply haven't noticed (or are trying to lie your way out of a hole). But I understand, especially after watching that target topic on computer repair men, with their poor job and poor skills - and I can understand how you, and others might feel about that, as do I.You still don't seem to get it, so here it is in plain English: You do not currently possess anywhere near the level of knowledge required to repair other people's PCs. Nor should you be charging them for your little game of computer roulette. By all means learn - that's a good thing, and almost everyone on these forums will encourage and assist you in doing so - but risking others' systems and data on your education is extremely unethical, especially when they don't know what they're signing up for when they hire you. Use your own system as a sandbox, not somebody else's. At someone else's expense? Only if they lose something yes, which they never will.Which they will sooner or later unless you learn to recognize your limits.	Erayd (23)
839247	2009-12-15 04:31:00	LOL, swallowing swords......PMSL	SolMiester (139)
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