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Thread ID: 95827	2008-12-18 03:21:00	New Toll Road	Roscoe (6288)	PC World Chat

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730572	2008-12-19 00:07:00	Yep and it's the intersection near Warkworth (turning off for Leigh, etc) that is the real ***** for congestion. And I must disagree with you tweak'e, I think we need more tolling in NZ. User pays is how it should be.	roddy_boy (4115)
730573	2008-12-19 00:29:00	Yea and all they have done is move the bottle-neck from the existing motorway ending at Orewa to Puhoi... Yep and it's the intersection near Warkworth (turning off for Leigh, etc) that is the real ***** for congestion. And I must disagree with you tweak'e, I think we need more tolling in NZ. User pays is how it should be. don't get me started on the WW intersection ! thats another transit #$%@ up ! cheap buggers left out 3/4's of the lights on the intersection(s) ! most of the new motorway will make everyone come screaming up to puhoi and crash on the hill :( mind you a least owera will be a lot nicer place with out so much traffic going through it. its not user pays that bugs me, i just hate spending large amounts of $$$ just so you can collect the $$$. if i remember right its going to take the first 2-3 years just to pay for putting the tolls in. i would rather see all that $$ spent on the actual road. omg they could even fix the WW intersection with all that $$$ ;) tolling a main motorway is just inefficient. had they got off their butts in the first place the motorway would have been done years ago at a cheaper price. so overall we are paying double cost, once for the delay and then again to install the tolls. talk about a licence to waste everyones else's money :(	tweak'e (69)
730574	2008-12-19 00:50:00	Yep and it's the intersection near Warkworth (turning off for Leigh, etc) that is the real ***** for congestion. That's true. I had to come back from Auckland one long weekend and it took about 1/2 hour to go 5K's but after the WW intersection it was clear again.	CYaBro (73)
730575	2008-12-19 01:04:00	That's true. I had to come back from Auckland one long weekend and it took about 1/2 hour to go 5K's but after the WW intersection it was clear again. That is why I rarely, if ever, travel on a long weekend. How silly can you be? If I do, I start a day before everyone and return a day afterwards. But it is more fun - and much nicer on the roads - to take a break when everyone else is back at work. I'm selfish, I like the beach (and the road) to myself!;)	Roscoe (6288)
730576	2008-12-19 01:10:00	That's true. I had to come back from Auckland one long weekend and it took about 1/2 hour to go 5K's but after the WW intersection it was clear again. just a bit of info for you...... basicly more traffic turns off through the WW insection to the beaches etc than drives through on SH1. holiday traffic this year will be interesting. roads where quiet last night. it may be a lot quieter on the roads this xmas.	tweak'e (69)
730577	2008-12-19 01:14:00	SH 16 is where it's at if you're heading north from Auckland.	roddy_boy (4115)
730578	2008-12-19 01:21:00	Yea but I had a job to do on the North Shore so didn't want bother going over to SH16 and I had to return to Whangarei that day as I wasn't going to stay the night in Auckland!	CYaBro (73)
730579	2008-12-19 01:33:00	SH 16 is where it's at if you're heading north from Auckland. yes/no. not bad if you know the shortcut through around the forest. however its a crap road, windy, rough and slow. off camber corners, big pot holes etc. its a backroad alright. you have to remember it lost its state highway status, then local council did a budget tarseal job on it which got the traffic numbers up which then put it back into transits hand and reinstated as a state highway. so basically transit fobbed off the tarseal job to the local council to pay for, so we end up with a highway with a quick and dirty seal job with all the bad corners etc. and now they try and divert large amounts of traffic down it. but then again while your stuck crawling its more scenic than sh1 which makes it more enjoyable ;) edit: that divert from silvadale/northshore etc is just a transit prank. SH16 is really good coming from northwestern motorway, not to bad if you coming from south of auckland, go down the northwestern, cut through to sh16, cruise down sh16, then all join the traffic jam at wellsford.	tweak'e (69)
730580	2008-12-19 03:55:00	Yea and all they have done is move the bottle-neck from the existing motorway ending at Orewa to Puhoi... Have to agree there - went up to Matakana last week - the state of the road north of the new extension (the five or so kilometres north of the tunnel) is crap. Still has the narrow bits, bad seal, nasty corners. Another half-a$$ job by Transit (or whatever they call themselves these days)! Another gripe spot: Came back from Taupo a few weeks ago via SH27. Joined a queue of traffic at the Ngatea turnoff. Took me 70 minutes to travel 3 kilometres!! All because some additional seal was yet again being laid from the weigh-station just past the Thames turnoff to the corner before the road goes up the hill. And this, late on a Sunday afternoon when the traffic coming back from the Coromandel is at it's heaviest - why not do this work during the week when the traffic is lighter!?!? And I would swear that that piece of road gets resealed every six months. All chipseal too - so as soon as the road gets all hot and melty (like it was when I came through), truck tyres just rip the top layer of seal up. Which necessitates yet more resealing. Transit does not know how to build a road that lasts. They should talk to a German roading engineer!! /rant /hijack	johcar (6283)
730581	2008-12-19 06:25:00	be thankfull that the road north of the tunnels is far better than it used to be. unfortunatly with clay soil bad seal is just normal. its just a matter of driving to the conditions which frankly is what motorists are bad at doing. i was down south myself a few weeks back, out of 12 hours driving over the weekend most of the bad driving i saw was auckland north. 8 hours driving south of auck and there was few bad drivers. resealling? i hear there is some new seal they are trying which is crap. mind you add in that drivers don't slow down for road works any new seal gets ripped up. very noticable at the start where people are braking on the new seal, the far end where they are accerating off it and also on the outside of the corner where weight transfer adds to the damage. i have seen one bit locally where its been resealled 3 times and vechiles where constantly doing 100km/h on the new seal ripping it up.	tweak'e (69)
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