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| Thread ID: 96057 | 2008-12-27 20:20:00 | Hit a sheep | hanson54 (14447) | PC World Chat |
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| 732815 | 2008-12-29 08:36:00 | You have obviously had a lot to do with farming Metla. Recently this townie going through a property with the permission of the farmer had four gates to open and close and they only managed to close one of them properly. Many a time in the old days during the mushroom season farmers have had many a gate left open. I have seen battens pulled off a roadside fence so that a traveller could have a cuppa or barbecue. Makes zero difference I'm afraid. Under the OSH act the company is responsible for any incident that results from either their actions or inactions. And in the case of a death then they will be prosecuted for not doing what needed to be done to keep people safe, whether employed by them, or a memnber of the public. Then it is up to the company to prove that they where doing everything they were obligated to do under the act and that they have acted in a safe manner. So, If some chump walked on the farm,done something that caused an accident, then the farmer could still be prosecuted. And if pushed to extremes there are multiple ways of improving the systems. Auto-closing gates for a start and constant monitoring of stock. Extreme, but the OSH act is open ended. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 732816 | 2008-12-29 08:47:00 | Accident =An unfortunate mishap; especially one causing damage or injury Shouldn't that be : Accident = An unfortunate mishap; especially one causing damage or injury to me? Anything else is an incident. |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 732817 | 2008-12-29 19:50:00 | If I done something like Met suggested,I am beginning to think Osh should deal to me. | Cicero (40) | ||
| 732818 | 2008-12-29 20:05:00 | Makes zero difference I'm afraid. Under the OSH act the company is responsible for any incident that results from either their actions or inactions. And in the case of a death then they will be prosecuted for not doing what needed to be done to keep people safe, whether employed by them, or a memnber of the public. Then it is up to the company to prove that they where doing everything they were obligated to do under the act and that they have acted in a safe manner. So, If some chump walked on the farm,done something that caused an accident, then the farmer could still be prosecuted. And if pushed to extremes there are multiple ways of improving the systems. Auto-closing gates for a start and constant monitoring of stock. Extreme, but the OSH act is open ended. Unfortunately, this Act and the idiotic department that enforces it (very often, arbitrarily) is the prime example of how nanny-state governments have removed the concept of personal responsibility from its citizens. I'm firmly in the camp where, you do something dumb, you reap the consequences. If you can't judge a situation accurately and then take the appropriate action, then your mother probably dresses you funny, too.... :D |
johcar (6283) | ||
| 732819 | 2008-12-29 20:07:00 | OSH have pulled their head in lately. Beginning of year one of our mechanics was fixing a tail lift and the driver crawled under to have a look. The lifter fell down as the mech undid a hydraulic hose connector and hit the drivers head. He had to go to hospital with moderate injuries. We though OSH would do us but they just said you cant legislate against foolishness. The incident happened on the side of road not our yard so that might have been our saving grace. We will not let them come on site unless they come under emergency provisions and give them minimal assistance. We use a retired health and safety expert to do regular safety checks, pay him with a box of woodies. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 732820 | 2008-12-29 20:15:00 | OSH have pulled their head in lately. Beginning of year one of our mechanics was fixing a tail lift and the driver crawled under to have a look. The lifter fell down as the mech undid a hydraulic hose connector and hit the drivers head. He had to go to hospital with moderate injuries. We though OSH would do us but they just said you cant legislate against foolishness. The incident happened on the side of road not our yard so that might have been our saving grace. We will not let them come on site unless they come under emergency provisions and give them minimal assistance. We use a retired health and safety expert to do regular safety checks, pay him with a box of woodies. Exactly what I mean when I say they enforce arbitrarily very often. Mostly they would pull the pin on you in these sorts of circumstances and you would be looking at huge fines, re-education and regular visits in the future to ensure you have learned your lesson and are following the letter of the law. That said, it sounds like this inspector had his head screwed on right. The exception that proves the rule... |
johcar (6283) | ||
| 732821 | 2008-12-29 20:18:00 | OSH have pulled their head in lately. Beginning of year one of our mechanics was fixing a tail lift and the driver crawled under to have a look. The lifter fell down as the mech undid a hydraulic hose connector and hit the drivers head. He had to go to hospital with moderate injuries. We though OSH would do us but they just said you cant legislate against foolishness. The incident happened on the side of road not our yard so that might have been our saving grace. We will not let them come on site unless they come under emergency provisions and give them minimal assistance. We use a retired health and safety expert to do regular safety checks, pay him with a box of woodies. I didn't know they still sold woodbines. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 732822 | 2008-12-29 21:15:00 | We though OSH would do us but they just said you cant legislate against foolishness. Funny that, The entire point of the legislation is to make others responsible for the foolishness of a few. I would assume your company has satisfactory systems in place, a good safety record, and the inspector was satisfied you had done enough to meet your obligations. A written warning would have been given to the company. As for not letting them on site, that's a laugh, Someone is pulling your leg. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 732823 | 2008-12-30 02:43:00 | This a sore point with your work? Or do you just have a hangover? | pctek (84) | ||
| 732824 | 2008-12-30 02:49:00 | Getting back to the original post, I think he is just fed up with having stuff "rammed" through, and being "flocked"by the system. | Tony (4941) | ||
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