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Thread ID: 96057	2008-12-27 20:20:00	Hit a sheep	hanson54 (14447)	PC World Chat

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732775	2008-12-27 23:04:00	Why not? Because not all people are city slickers although all city slickers are supported by the primary producers. :stare: :confused:	CYaBro (73)
732776	2008-12-27 23:30:00	Thank your lucky stars that it wasn't a horse por a cattle beast.	Scouse (83)
732777	2008-12-27 23:57:00	Send me the dead sheep . Ummm! US Law: Corralling - Fencing - Restraining of Non-Feral Animals § No person in the substantive business or homeowner's hobby shall allow either livestock or animals of husbandry to escape from confinement . ¶ Be that as it may; such person(s) so-engaged will need to create substantial restraints guaranteeing against escape by the animal(s) in the form of either: a . {ibid:} fencing for that purpose that is manufactured of sufficient material that no animal whatever size of the congruent animal stock or herd, can exit into a public roadway(s), footpath(s) or area(s) of commerce and/or residence . b . {ibid:} such fencing must be made of woven or twisted or welded wire of such small pattern such as "No-Klimb©" or product of same ilk . c . {ibid:} masonry and/or wooden enclosures are considered substantive if they are non-climbable by the enclosed animal(s) and act in the same manner as the restraints in "b" above . d . {ibid:} gates and mandoors must be latched and secured so that no animal(s) can escape at any time even while person(s) enter or exit the aforementioned enclosure . These must also be at the same height and construction of the majority of the restraining fence/enclosure . § In the event of escape of animal(s) from the enclosure, any damages incurred to the general public as performed by the animal(s) in singularly or in multiples, will be stood as the responsibility of the owner(s) of said animal(s) and any financial, legal, loss of personal property/ies shall be deemed as the whole responsibility of said animal(s) owner . § Law enforcement representatives shall be able to remove such escaped animals in a way that is most expeditious to the situation at hand and is purely at the discretion of the law enforcement official, be it brute force, herding, removing with mechanical accouterments and/or use of firearms as the situation shall afford . All costs of such removal and expenses incurred shall be solely the responsibility of the animal(s) owner(s) and/or controlling agent of record . § Confiscation of any injured animal(s) or deceased animal(s) shall be considered 'primary' evidence per-se that there has been loss of personal property or life . ¶ injured animals shall be retained by veterinary or government-licensed animal holding facilities and held until reimbursement of damages have been assumed by - and paid for - the owner(s) of the injured animal(s) to the injured human party/ies . . In other words, the farmer bites the bullet .	SurferJoe46 (51)
732778	2008-12-28 00:01:00	No fence is 100 percent stockproof - and the law does not provide a remedy for every wrong. And life isn't fair.	Deane F (8204)
732779	2008-12-28 00:24:00	fences cannot keep livestock in ALL the time. it comes down to can you PROVE that it was his stock, came from his farm, and he was negilant ? bloody hard to do that at the best of times. if the farmer has a history of stock getting out then you have a good chance. Of course fences can be built that are suitable for the intended job.Just like better practises can be put in place. It just costs and requires maintenance. And granted farmers get special treatment in NZ but the mere fact that an incident happened (and one with potential to cause death) means the farmer was negligent. If this was treated under OSH regulations then it would all be very clear cut, and If we one day see the roads classified as a place of work (and if farmers lose their special treatment) then hell yes, Fences and practises will improve.Very quickly, and those that try and claim substandard is all right will find themselves prosecuted.	Metla (12)
732780	2008-12-28 01:13:00	its not a matter of who is right or wrong, its a case of can you prove it.	tweak'e (69)
732781	2008-12-28 01:32:00	Prove what? That the sheep was on the road? Didn't realise anyone was disputing it, and it would be pretty easy to prove.:nerd: However, If you are saying that the farmer took all practicable steps including using industry accepted fencing and approved work practises then that would save him from getting prosecuted, However the system would still require all accepted systems to be improved to a standard where incidents like this could not happen. Which would mean using suitable fencing.:clap and improved work practises. Though, That's only if Farming was held to a standard like the rest of industry in NZ. An incident report would shed some light on the situation.....	Metla (12)
732782	2008-12-28 01:44:00	Hanson, be glad that it is your vehicle and the sheep that bore the brunt of the incident . It could have been far worse . Believe it or not, it isn't always the farmer at fault . Some idiots have been known to deliberately open farm gates or cut fences and let animals out . I don't know any farmer who wants to lose his stock, or have them cause accidents . Once we were driving up from Wellington after having travelled across on the ferry, it was very late; as we drove along the Desert Road a horse suddenly appeared in front of us from out of nowhere . I don't know how we missed hitting it but after our shattered nerves recovered, we realised how much worse it could have been . I didn't know until later that it was probably one of the 'Kaimanawa' horses that roam in the area . The problem on the roads doesn't always have to be from a farm animal . Ask any Australian who drives country roads .	Marnie (4574)
732783	2008-12-28 01:55:00	Still waiting for my free mutton.	SurferJoe46 (51)
732784	2008-12-28 02:21:00	Well you know this is NZ, and livestock do wander round on the roads . I pass loose sheep on the way to work quite often . Geeez Pctek - you should keep quiet about that . If my daughter's Aussie bloke heard that, he would say . . . . "That is what us Aussies have been saying about you Kiwi blokes for years" Dang them Ken :clap	kenj (9738)
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