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| Thread ID: 96057 | 2008-12-27 20:20:00 | Hit a sheep | hanson54 (14447) | PC World Chat |
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| 732845 | 2008-12-30 20:46:00 | Who would have thought Metla would become a reformist and conformist. I don't agree with all of it, What works on paper can do a lot of harm in the real world, I have had some absurd conversations with OSH inspectors in the past about my methodology, To the point I'm convinced some of them are halfwits, However, I also know a couple of dead people that would be alive today if better systems had been in place. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 732846 | 2008-12-30 21:32:00 | I don't agree with all of it, What works on paper can do a lot of harm in the real world, I have had some absurd conversations with OSH inspectors in the past about my methodology, To the point I'm convinced some of them are halfwits, However, I also know a couple of dead people that would be alive today if better systems had been in place. John Lennon? |
--Wolf-- (128) | ||
| 732847 | 2008-12-30 21:49:00 | John Lennon? Good point Wolfy,I am of the opinion that we all have an innings,then it's goodbye Mr Chips. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 732848 | 2008-12-30 21:51:00 | Ah. They should implement one called Common Sense too. If only!! If only people HAD common sense then Health & safety policies and legislation would be unnecessary. I too have had something to do with the implementation of H&S policies and while sceptical at first, saw in real terms the saving of staff from injury and nearly death when these policies were followed. Too often there is the smartarse who thinks he knows better, takes short cuts ( even if this has been a practice followed in the past ) and injures either himself, or worse, a workmate or customer. If only I had worn hearing protection years ago, I would probably not now have the hearing problems I have. Nobody did then, everybody in a noisy work environment does now. I admit that it took a while to get staff to accept what the company required from them, but eventually good H&S practices become second nature, which is a benefit to all. Happy New Year. :):) |
Richard (739) | ||
| 732849 | 2008-12-31 00:34:00 | Ah. They should implement one called Common Sense too. They have, Its called hazard management, Its forcing people to look at the task they are about to do, identity any risks, and then take steps to reduce those risks. Someone with common sense would recognise this as a better way of doing things , Its the old boys who learnt their trade 30 years ago that are so stuck in their hole they believe their way of doing things is the best and only way. Though as far as I can see mostly its ego, Everyone thinks they are an expert and can't handle being told to improve. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 732850 | 2008-12-31 00:39:00 | They have, Its called hazard management, Its forcing people to look at the task they are about to do, identity any risks, and then take steps to reduce those risks. Someone with common sense would recognise this as a better way of doing things , Its the old boys who learnt their trade 30 years ago that are so stuck in their hole they believe their way of doing things is the best and only way. Though as far as I can see mostly its ego, Everyone thinks they are an expert and can't handle being told to improve. One has to wonder how the old boys have survived,without your pals(Osh). |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 732851 | 2008-12-31 00:50:00 | One has to wonder how the old boys have survived,without your pals(Osh). One of the biggest problems is the old boys pass their way of doing things down to the younger guys,who lacking the experience end up getting hurt instead. And contrary to your belief that the status quo is fine there have been a boatload of workers getting hurt and killed in NZ. Who thinks its fair to get killed for $14.00 an hour? Looking around my work all the older guys have had dozens of accidents and near misses, Including myself, Yet half of them still insist that walking the steel 3 stories up is perfectly safe. Hell, its the way its always been done, and everyone is still alive... Well no, we have buried 2*, 2 others have broken their backs, another has shattered his knees, 3 or 4 will never be able to work any sort of physical job again. And half of that is just wear and tear from poor work practises. Hell, the theory back when I started was you needed to fall a couple of times to hone your skills. *Of the two killed one was a subcontractor, working as a dogman for a crane outfit, we had them onsite and had an employee of ours with the dogman working out of the cage. The crane driver didn't put out his outriggers and the crane tipped over, Killing the dogman, Our guy walked away. The crane driver and the dogman were very experienced in their roles. The second was a long time employee, The best height man I have ever worked with and a very close friend,refused to wear a harness Fell through a single story structure,cracked his head. Dead. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 732852 | 2008-12-31 00:56:00 | There is never an excuse for being silly when it comes to safety,I doubt any of us want to die young. | Cicero (40) | ||
| 732853 | 2008-12-31 01:33:00 | I don't agree with all of it, What works on paper can do a lot of harm in the real world, I have had some absurd conversations with OSH inspectors in the past about my methodology, To the point I'm convinced some of them are halfwits, However, I also know a couple of dead people that would be alive today if better systems had been in place. You have to give the Darwin theory a chance to take it's coarse. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 732854 | 2008-12-31 01:52:00 | Yeah the shocking practices I have seen in 25 years of working in the building industry is un believable both here and in the UK, when I first came here I got a job working a site for a new catholic school and all the site safety meetings were held in the school gym on the raised seating that had a 2m fall to the ground and no handrail, go figure. And that's one of the safer ones | gary67 (56) | ||
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