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Thread ID: 106041	2009-12-23 06:11:00	Xp licence for dead laptop, what do people do with them?	Morgenmuffel (187)	Press F1

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842550	2009-12-23 22:37:00	What it boils down to is simple -places selling OEM software without the hardware are breaking the OEM Licencing agreements. Yes. However why should there be a difference between OEM and Retail anyway? You buy it, you own it. Just because MS (and others) want a way to force you to buy another Operating System when you had a perfectly good one already..........I bet you the accountant came up with that con. And in roll the $billions......	pctek (84)
842551	2009-12-23 22:56:00	Yes. However why should there be a difference between OEM and Retail anyway? You buy it, you own it. C'mon Pctek :p -- you know the answer to that -- OEM "legally" is tied to the original purchase of the hardware as per the EULA = cheaper software. Retail is not, so its more expensive. One thing I didn't know, I found this in an article in Germany specifically, OEM licenses can be transferred. This does apply to Germany specifically though, so everywhere else it holds true that OEM licenses cannot be transferred to a different computer. What makes it different in Germany I wonder ??	wainuitech (129)
842552	2009-12-23 22:56:00	BUT some places do advertise it, take DSE with Office 2007 Example (www.imagef1.net.nz) Bit different with Office 2007 because if you buy the OEM version you don't get any disks. You can then buy a backup disk directly from MS but originally you only buy the license to put on a computer that had Office 2007 pre-installed at time of purchase.	CYaBro (73)
842553	2009-12-23 23:04:00	Bit different with Office 2007 because if you buy the OEM version you don't get any disks. You can then buy a backup disk directly from MS but originally you only buy the license to put on a computer that had Office 2007 pre-installed at time of purchase. You can actually add to that - download the trial from MS, the OEM COA still works. I can remember when the system builder DVD's first came out, cost $5 ( from memory or could have been $15) for a complete set of Home & student, Professional + SBE, I got 4 packs as they said the prices would go up -- Now look at the prices for the same -- Thats a rip off.	wainuitech (129)
842554	2009-12-23 23:59:00	In Germany, from what I have read, a EULA is only enforceable if the user signs a written contract, the act of clicking 'I Accept' is not sufficient to establish a contract there, what an enlightened country they are.:p	KarameaDave (15222)
842555	2009-12-24 00:10:00	Signed in front of who? The cops?	Speedy Gonzales (78)
842556	2009-12-24 00:25:00	Don't know, I think in practice they don't bother to enforce? Perhaps, if we have any German members they could clarify?	KarameaDave (15222)
842557	2009-12-24 00:28:00	In Germany, from what I have read, a EULA is only enforceable if the user signs a written contract, the act of clicking 'I Accept' is not sufficient to establish a contract there, what an enlightened country they are.:p Hmmm vellllly interestinggggg :lol: That could be good or bad depending on the way a person looks at it. Thanks for that.	wainuitech (129)
842558	2009-12-24 00:34:00	Looks like they do it with apple as well (superuser.com) if Apple wishes to enforce their EULA in Germany, then they'll have to to get the customer to sign a written contract, yes. and then it would be legally binding. And since Mac OSX doesn't require server-based product activation there isn't much Apple can do about it. in Germany now one may argue that you can install Windows on as many computers you like since you didn't agree to the EULA prior to the purchase, however, Microsoft can and will refuse activation which they use for copyright protection. and circumventing copyright protection is illegal, even in Germany ... but MS will eventually pull the plug on the XP activation server (AFAIK in 2011) and then this argument will become valid, i read about this a while ago, quite interesting. And (www.tuaw.com) From a reply Luckily, us German end-users, are not bound by any EULA from anyone*, so we don't have to worry about such things... *Yes, there are court decisions on that.	Speedy Gonzales (78)
842559	2009-12-24 00:50:00	Just to add in Re OEM COA's on the back of Laptops or PC's for that matter, which was the original question :p. IF you take ANY name brand PC ( including laptops) and run something like magicjellybean to find the product key, you will find the COA thats factory installed is completely different to the COA on the side of the case / under the laptop. SO going by that, you are actually given two COA's :rolleyes: One you click I agree to when first starting the New PC and the one stuck to the case has never been activated ;) If you use the factory COA to reinstall it wont activate, and if you call MS they will say its invalid - WHY ? because BIG system builders use the same product key on many builds, bit like a pre activated COA. Theres been many times when doing a reinstall, I have had 3 -4 Compaq's for example all with the same COA factory installed. BTW - I was only have a stir :D - MS are not stupid (that could be a debate on its own) :lol: Only kidding - they know very well people use OEM keys more than once, considering simply upgrading the PC's CPU, Graphic Card etc, can trigger the activation.	wainuitech (129)
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