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| Thread ID: 145975 | 2018-03-21 19:03:00 | Stir: Shane Jones is Quite Right | Terry Porritt (14) | PC World Chat |
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| 1447545 | 2018-03-21 19:03:00 | Shane Jones is quite right to have a go at the NZ board and Chair over cancelling regional flights, which will depress business activity in the regions even further. AirNZ have made huge profits: "Air New Zealand reports $323m interim result, on track for second highest profit in company history" www.airnewzealand.co.nz As the Governement (of either colour) is a majority shareholder, and considering AirNZ was only too grateful to be bailed out back in the day, there is a degree of social responsibility towards the well being of NZers over and above the dividends to shareholders , tourism, corporate greed and obscene salaries to top executives. I LMAO when Paul Goldsmith cries crocodile tears over how "business" will take fright at Jones's views: "Attacking public companies is a strange approach to economic development," National's regional economic development spokesman Paul Goldsmith said. "It's nothing but economic vandalism for political gain. While this may give Mr Jones the attention he craves, this style of politics undermines business confidence and investment that improves the services to the public he says he's concerned about." www.nzherald.co.nz This is a perpetual right wing scare tactic, going back as long as I can remember, how pathetic, what's up with "business" that they take fright so easily ? Well, they don't of course, just Goldsmith's politicking. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 1447546 | 2018-03-21 19:47:00 | Shane Jones is quite right to have a go at the NZ board and Chair over cancelling regional flights, which will depress business activity in the regions even further. AirNZ have made huge profits: "Air New Zealand reports $323m interim result, on track for second highest profit in company history" www.airnewzealand.co.nz As the Governement (of either colour) is a majority shareholder, and considering AirNZ was only too grateful to be bailed out back in the day, there is a degree of social responsibility towards the well being of NZers over and above the dividends to shareholders , tourism, corporate greed and obscene salaries to top executives. I LMAO when Paul Goldsmith cries crocodile tears over how "business" will take fright at Jones's views: "Attacking public companies is a strange approach to economic development," National's regional economic development spokesman Paul Goldsmith said. "It's nothing but economic vandalism for political gain. While this may give Mr Jones the attention he craves, this style of politics undermines business confidence and investment that improves the services to the public he says he's concerned about." www.nzherald.co.nz This is a perpetual right wing scare tactic, going back as long as I can remember, how pathetic, what's up with "business" that they take fright so easily ? Well, they don't of course, just Goldsmith's politicking. Stir or otherwise, :thumbs: |
Marnie (4574) | ||
| 1447547 | 2018-03-21 22:04:00 | If the demand was there, planes would be going there. No demand for flights : so no planes. How could it be any simpler ? Are we suggesting we send near empty planes there & back every day. Because in reality, thats what it amounts to. Also, its obviously NOT affecting the vast majority in those regions , as they simply dont travel by plane. Most dont travel to regional NZ destinations by plane. We drive there : so no real urgent need for those flights And there ARE alternatives . Charter a flight in a small plane if its so urgent to fly there . What I do object to , is Air NZ setting up a budget airline , running at a loss , killing off all local competition to that destination. Then deciding not to fly there AFTER they killed of competition that previously was flying there . Want to kill off profit ,again, then allow Political rather than business decisions . As has happened far too many times. just Goldsmith's politicking. as opposed to Shane Jone's politicking :) |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1447548 | 2018-03-21 22:23:00 | 1101: You obviously have not listened to the outcry raised by locals and local business about the cancellations, they have a different view to you. Need proof of near empty planes to back up your assertion. There is a social responsibility that has been thrown out of the window by corporate greed. Transport is often subsidised, it has a social element, witness Welling transport area, trains etc. Dirty words of course to committed right wingers until the chips are down, then they will gladly accept a hand out. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 1447549 | 2018-03-21 23:06:00 | Otaki MP Nathan Guy (National) launched a petition over the weekend to fight Air New Zealand's decision to withdraw its Kapiti Coast to Auckland service. "We have got less than three weeks to show Air New Zealand how much we want this service retained and prove that it has widespread regional support," Mr Guy says. kcnews.co.nz One comment says 80% seat take up, so that demolishes your assertion, asuming that's about right. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 1447550 | 2018-03-21 23:06:00 | 1101: You obviously have not listened to the outcry raised by locals and local business about the cancellations, they have a different view to you. Need proof of near empty planes to back up your assertion. There is a social responsibility that has been thrown out of the window by corporate greed. Transport is often subsidised, it has a social element, witness Welling transport area, trains etc. Dirty words of course to committed right wingers until the chips are down, then they will gladly accept a hand out. I never said there are near empty planes now, however FORCING these flights could easily lead to that In reality, the planes arnt full, and arent carrying enough passengers to cover costs. Its oh so easy to raise an outcry, but if the demand was truly there , we wouldnt be discussing this now. There arnt enough people using the planes, thats the simple fact Sure we subsidize buses & trains , but most would draw the line at subsidizing plane travel . There ARE alternatives. It would be a subsidy for the the weathly to travel by plane, as the poor certainly wouldnt be flying there & back . "Corporate Greed" : left wing catch phrase . Its actually Corporate responsibility , to NOT run at a loss . or lets go back to the old days where near everything owned by the govt racked up huge annual losses . So you tell me , subsidize plane travel (god help me) , or use that money where it should be spent . Perhaps pay for more hospital operations/services instead |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1447551 | 2018-03-22 00:37:00 | "No demand for flights : so no planes. How could it be any simpler ? Are we suggesting we send near empty planes there & back every day. Because in reality, thats what it amounts to" "I never said there are near empty planes now, however FORCING these flights could easily lead to that" Your logic leaves much to be desired Difficult to see how 80% occupancy is near empty :confused: I'd have a word with Nathan Guy if I were you and get him to withdraw his petition |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 1447552 | 2018-03-22 00:56:00 | Oh but Terry, surely you realise, thirteen is always right? :lol: | KarameaDave (15222) | ||
| 1447553 | 2018-03-22 01:07:00 | It is quite simple. If Air NZ makes a profit on a flight they will provide it. If they cannot make a profit they would be stupid to do so. If the Government either National or Local belives there is a legitimate social benefit to providing the service they should subsidise it and put it out to tender. Anyone in any business who does not make a profit does not last very long. |
CliveM (6007) | ||
| 1447554 | 2018-03-22 01:09:00 | 1101 in post #6 said it better than me. | CliveM (6007) | ||
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