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| Thread ID: 145941 | 2018-03-10 05:59:00 | Went Out & Bought A New Glock | SurferJoe46 (51) | PC World Chat |
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| 1447170 | 2018-03-10 05:59:00 | Last year - I had three closer-than-I-wanted-them-to-be ---> (2) Brown and (1) Grizzly Bear ---> encounters . Having decided to NOT be a crunchy tidbit to any bears this year - I bought a Glock Model 20 Gen IV 10mm pistol . Trout are beginning to run right now, and I can hear them calling me - so I wanted to be - at least - on a somewhat even gamefield with them . They say: "Shoot a warning round over their head to scare them" . I say: "NOT!" Any and all of the 15 capacity, 200gr, FMJ, 1350fps Bear Bore rounds are not going to be wasted, warning a bear that I hold their equalizer in my hand . I also got my CCW Permit - in that I can "Carry-Concealed-Weapon" when I want to . What constitutes a concealed weapon is if your shirt, pants, (or skirt/dresses if female), coat or backpack covers any part of the weapon, not including the holster, it is considered 'concealed' . The CCW permit was issued contingent upon my being a citizen of Montana for at least 6 consecutive months, over 12 years old (if living on a ranch of over 200 acres, or 18 if not living so), have no warrants and am not wanted by any authorities - federal or civil . I passed that easily enough . OC - or Open Carry - is legal for anyone if they have been in Montana for 6 months . You can wear a holstered firearm in public (not in public schools, post offices or federal reserves like VA offices) . Any classes that another citizen might have to take for a CCW (Pistol Safety, etc) was negated by having my US Navy discharge papers so I don't have to pay $300 . 00+ for that class and don't have to even take it anyway . The reason for the need of a CCW for me is that I will be armed for bear and that I will cross over into incorporated cities and gold mine camps, etc . Those are the places where - if you want to CCW - you must have a permit . I can actually shoot my firearms in my yard if I wanted to since I don't live in an incorporated part of the town where my address is posted . I live outside of the city limits . Any Montana citizen can carry a loaded firearm, hidden in a vehicle, CCW or not . You just have to inform any police officer that you have a concealed weapon in your car, and he won't even ask you to show it to him if your driver's license is clean . Montana has a "Safe Transit" law that allows you to drive in Montana if you either have a CCW by another state or have an Open Carry weapon in plain sight of any officer when/if you are stopped . A YT Vid: . gl/images/yQni8i" target="_blank">goo . gl Kewl, huh? |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 1447171 | 2018-03-10 08:32:00 | Not for my back yard! I personally think America has gone into overkill mode already! |
Laggard (17509) | ||
| 1447172 | 2018-03-10 08:38:00 | Yep pretty cool, you are lucky to have the freedom to carry protection with you , we are defenseless here and can not have sidearms or open carry rifles. I was in a truely terrifying situation about 8 years ago in Kaitaia in my camper bus with my family when some natives tried to get inside the bus at about 2.00am. Luckily the police arrived before they got inside but they wrecked the bikes on the back. If I was in the USA I could have shot them. I was in the mil for 27 years and trained with pistols and SMGs. I think I know the jews felt when the Germans starting rounding them and taking them away utterly defenseless to do anything. Thank your lucky stars you can carry life insurance with you we cant. | prefect (6291) | ||
| 1447173 | 2018-03-10 09:04:00 | nice. i hear 10mm is a good bear round. personal i would like to see a lot of training before they issue CCW. interesting to watch a training vid where in most cases the attacker took the gun off them and used it against them. there is times to deploy and other times not to. most kiwi's don't understand how much of your wildlife over there can kill you. one of guys had a coyote stalking them, fortunately they carry a rifle in the tractor. |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 1447174 | 2018-03-10 09:18:00 | Didn't know trout could be so dangerous | gary67 (56) | ||
| 1447175 | 2018-03-10 09:27:00 | Last year - I had three closer-than-I-wanted-them-to-be ---> (2) Brown and (1) Grizzly Bear ---> encounters. Having decided to NOT be a crunchy tidbit to any bears this year - I bought a Glock Model 20 Gen IV 10mm pistol. Trout are beginning to run right now, and I can hear them calling me - so I wanted to be - at least - on a somewhat even gamefield with them. They say: "Shoot a warning round over their head to scare them". I say: "NOT!" Any and all of the 15 capacity, 200gr, FMJ, 1350fps Bear Bore rounds are not going to be wasted, warning a bear that I hold their equalizer in my hand. I also got my CCW Permit - in that I can "Carry-Concealed-Weapon" when I want to. What constitutes a concealed weapon is if your shirt, pants, (or skirt/dresses if female), coat or backpack covers any part of the weapon, not including the holster, it is considered 'concealed'. The CCW permit was issued contingent upon my being a citizen of Montana for at least 6 consecutive months, over 12 years old (if living on a ranch of over 200 acres, or 18 if not living so), have no warrants and am not wanted by any authorities - federal or civil. I passed that easily enough. OC - or Open Carry - is legal for anyone if they have been in Montana for 6 months. You can wear a holstered firearm in public (not in public schools, post offices or federal reserves like VA offices). Any classes that another citizen might have to take for a CCW (Pistol Safety, etc) was negated by having my US Navy discharge papers so I don't have to pay $300.00+ for that class and don't have to even take it anyway. The reason for the need of a CCW for me is that I will be armed for bear and that I will cross over into incorporated cities and gold mine camps, etc. Those are the places where - if you want to CCW - you must have a permit. I can actually shoot my firearms in my yard if I wanted to since I don't live in an incorporated part of the town where my address is posted. I live outside of the city limits. Any Montana citizen can carry a loaded firearm, hidden in a vehicle, CCW or not. You just have to inform any police officer that you have a concealed weapon in your car, and he won't even ask you to show it to him if your driver's license is clean. Montana has a "Safe Transit" law that allows you to drive in Montana if you either have a CCW by another state or have an Open Carry weapon in plain sight of any officer when/if you are stopped. A YT Vid: goo.gl gun" Kewl, huh? So are their different CCW laws per state? Does it include the glove box of a car? One guy got a Governor's pardon, (www.range365.com) because he forgot to remove his gun from the glove box. In another incident (www.usatoday.com) also a "glove box gun"a guy got arrested because his CCW was expired, without his knowledge when he sat his licence in another state... In both cases, these guys told the police that had a gun in their glove box...perhaps better to not mention a gun, unless of course a police officer will eventually ask/search the glove box if they have legit reason to do so... |
kahawai chaser (3545) | ||
| 1447176 | 2018-03-10 15:22:00 | Each state sets it's own laws concerning CCW, OC, ownership or even ability to buy ammunition . New York City has it's own Sullivan Act that basically makes it illegal to own a concealable weapon . California is so messed up that illegal aliens are allowed to pretty much do what they want, while the law abiding citizens cannot get permits to CCW, OC or even buy ammunition . California also limits magazine capacity . . . . in the case of my Glock, 10 rounds . Connecticut is another tough state in which to own a handgun while a shotgun is somewhat legal . . . . . on a case-by-case consideration . CCW is not typically allowed except for off-bench or retired officers of the court . As I believe I know, Arizona is pretty good as is Texas, most of the state's below the Mason-Dixon Line, MaIne, Idaho, Nebraska, Utah . . . . . in that they a fairly sparsely populated and are in a need to own condition . States as unpopulated as Montana is . . . . and where availability of law enforcement is spotty to say the least . . . . have the need for self protection until the arrival of a police officer . Montana's own Highway Patrol officers have enforcement "beats" of thousands of square miles and must drive hundreds of miles to answer a call in some instances . Add snow or blizzards, herds of wild animals not obeying crosswalk rules . . . . . and timely assistance is seriously impeded . Montana is also Open Grazing . . . . where cattle have the right of way in all instances . Hit a cow, and you pay . Then there's the need of a finishing piece, so one can dispatch a wounded, dying deer, elk, moose, bear, eagle or whatever you hit with your vehicle . Montana recently opened the citizen to taking of any animal you hit, as food for yourself . . . . . . . when the last iteration of law allowed only state authorities to take road kill for state institutions (jails, homeless facilities and schools, etc) . |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 1447177 | 2018-03-10 19:35:00 | Funny how in Canada they manage without these things. US - shoot the bear. Canada - move the bear. | piroska (17583) | ||
| 1447178 | 2018-03-10 19:56:00 | Funny how in Canada they manage without these things. US - shoot the bear. Canada - move the bear. At least you have an option in the USA. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 1447179 | 2018-03-10 20:11:00 | At least you have an option in the USA. An option to pretend your Rambo and make a dick of yourself fantastic |
gary67 (56) | ||
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