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Thread ID: 145963	2018-03-18 08:34:00	Are renovation about looks?	Nomad (952)	PC World Chat

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1447455	2018-03-23 20:29:00	Nah, I meant...my house, the fibrolite is out from the lower bit, it overhangs the lower part, whatever that's called, you can get your hand up in there without removing anything, husband was able to sort the pipe leak without any wall removal at all. We are going to replace back steps, starting to rot, but mainly the angle was always way off, very steep, and risers not only too high but variable as well. I had 2 builders respond. Second said why not a stringer step? While I was looking that up first came round. Dismissed stringers and rabbited on about irrelevant bits, ignore what I said about the bottom part and eventually quoted $800 to build some. Today we are buying the stringer steps from DIY shop for $200 and doing it ourselves. your place sounds a bit dodgy. if you can get your hand up the wall without removing anything, something is horribly wrong. the steps sound like it was a bad DIY job. with the buildings i worked on, the builders never made the stairs. they are generally pre made or custom made by the stair company. thats due to a whole lot of rules around stairs. not worth builders time to muck around building them from scratch.	tweak'e (69)
1447456	2018-03-24 04:14:00	your place sounds a bit dodgy . if you can get your hand up the wall without removing anything, something is horribly wrong . the steps sound like it was a bad DIY job . . Yes . The garage was erected with spouting, but no drains for the downpipes to drain into . LOL . Steps, angle was over 45 degrees, risers not only too high but all different . Yep, who built it and how did council pass it? The wall though, that's not uncommon . See pic . The black bit at bottom is in more than the blue walls . . . the blue overhangs a bit . I don't have those vent things down below, like older houses did, that's why, so yes you can get your hand up to a certain extent, it did have some mesh stuff but some broke so he could . . . . not all the way, but enough that he reached the pipe with the hole, higher up it and it would have involved pulling wall of inside . . . but yay we didn't have to .	piroska (17583)
1447457	2018-03-24 04:39:00	Looks like a Universal Homes house :( Their building contractors were a&^%holes!!	Zippity (58)
1447458	2018-03-24 06:17:00	The wall though, that's not uncommon. See pic. The black bit at bottom is in more than the blue walls...the blue overhangs a bit. I don't have those vent things down below, like older houses did, that's why, so yes you can get your hand up to a certain extent, it did have some mesh stuff but some broke so he could.... not all the way, but enough that he reached the pipe with the hole, higher up it and it would have involved pulling wall of inside...but yay we didn't have to. ok, he didn't actually go up the wall. that bit he went into is under the floor. the black wall is meant to have vents. the overhang is not a replacement for vents. if you have moisture barrier on the dirt it will reduce the moisture under the house by a lot and then vents not really needed.	tweak'e (69)
1447459	2018-03-24 06:37:00	your place sounds a bit dodgy. if you can get your hand up the wall without removing anything, something is horribly wrong. the steps sound like it was a bad DIY job. with the buildings i worked on, the builders never made the stairs. they are generally pre made or custom made by the stair company. thats due to a whole lot of rules around stairs. not worth builders time to muck around building them from scratch. Joiners don't often make the outside steps that piroska is meaning. Stair rules are not that complicated so long as you can do basic maths	gary67 (56)
1447460	2018-03-24 19:55:00	the black wall is meant to have vents. the overhang is not a replacement for vents. if you have moisture barrier on the dirt it will reduce the moisture under the house by a lot and then vents not really needed. We don't have moisture. And covering your dirt is a cheat. If you have water under the house - fix the problem, not the symptom. That is, find out why and solve it at the source. Anyway, we are replacing the steps, bought a stringer set yesterday. Harder than it looks, and there is a bit of fidding with posts and the railing (don't know about that yet) we will need to do too. Neither of us have great builders skills, but budget means it's DIY. So far we have not got any treads into the stringer....LOL.	piroska (17583)
1447461	2018-03-24 20:59:00	We don't have moisture. And covering your dirt is a cheat. If you have water under the house - fix the problem, not the symptom. That is, find out why and solve it at the source. water/moisture two different things. everyone has moisture under the house. nz soil evaporates around 0.4 litre of water per square meter per day in most soil types around the country. this is with DRY soil ie no running water under the house. so for a typically 80's 100 square meter house you have 40 liters of water coming up out of dry ground every day. with no vents thats 40 liters per day that migrates through the wood into the house, every day of the year. obviously its gets worse when its wet soil under the house. covering the dirt is not a cheat, its a proven fix for the problem. obviously if its wet soil you need to fix the drainage first.	tweak'e (69)
1447462	2018-03-25 04:17:00	Anyway, we are replacing the steps, bought a stringer set yesterday. Harder than it looks, and there is a bit of fidding with posts and the railing (don't know about that yet) we will need to do too. Neither of us have great builders skills, but budget means it's DIY. So far we have not got any treads into the stringer....LOL. hows the stair replacement going ?	tweak'e (69)
1447463	2018-03-25 04:52:00	everyone has moisture under the house. t. Well it's as dry as dust under there. In fact the dirt is like dust. Anyway, stairs....what a PITA. It was husbands idea, DIY, he said easy, just need me and him. I wanted a builder. Uhuh, I was remembering our gate build. A lot harder than expected. So, getting the treads into the stringers was the first issue. Then found it was bowing the stringers. Eventually found - Mitre10 were to have cut treads to fit 1175, outside to outside of stringer...no he didn't, he cut it to 1190. needed to plane them shorter. Told to nail them. They ripped out in 5 seconds. Resorting to screwing them which we should have thought of in the first place. Long galvanised screws not short ones. Then had to clamp it while doing the screws, sons work clamps not long enough. make them long enough by using husbands g clamps as well. Now, to get them up. Existing post arrangement...well the old steps were short and steep, new one longer and not steep. So need new bolt holes. Thats ok, but on the house side it had a short pole. So modifications to pole there. At this point now. Lifting the thing in place will be a delay, need more people. We too feeble. Son OK but he can't do it himself now all the treads are on. Then will need to do something with old railing, too steep you see. What, don't know yet, worry about that after. Um, yes budget was good, effort and the fact none of us are builders or much good at it? Yeah.... Plumbing, electrical, paint, garden, pcs, fine. carpentry? Um.	piroska (17583)
1447464	2018-03-25 05:21:00	got a pic of the stairs? Well it's as dry as dust under there. In fact the dirt is like dust. thats whats counterintuitive. the dirt is dry because the water is evaporating off and going through your house.	tweak'e (69)
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