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Thread ID: 96454	2009-01-11 05:11:00	Gaza\Israel Conflict	SolMiester (139)	PC World Chat

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737341	2009-01-13 00:51:00	I think what is holding up peace there is that there is radicals on both sides and neither one of them wants to give up and will fight to the death for different reasons . To enable the "struggle" you have to recuit people to your side,naturally the Arabs have the upper hand there with the amount of people they can use to blow up other people with/kill etc . -(plus all the other fellow brother Muslims in the rest of the world just waiting to murder any Jew and become a "Matyr" and go to heaven and have heaps of young beautiful virgins . The "Palestinian" Arabs - (Hamas,etc . ) have oil money and donations from Iran/Saudi Araba/Gulf Emirites etc . ,and military weapons as well from all over the Arab countries . The "Palestinian" Arabs go to the rest of the Arab countries you have to help us because we are Arabs and Muslims just like you!!! If you dont we might have to leave "Palestine" and move in and live in your country!!! (other Arab countries go F!@# that here is some money my brother now F!@# OFF!!! we dont want all your bull**** we just want to get on with our life and do what we want to do) . Some moderate Arab countries like Egypt are sick and tied of this situation and try to fix things as best they can but the radicals on both sides of the conflict quickly do another bad thing,to stuff everthing up again,so there is never any peace . Israel only has America for stunch support,both financial and miltary and donations from jews living overseas . All the left wing protest groups side with the Arabs because they get support from them for all their "worth" while cause's as in money donation's,etc . Those same left wing protest groups used to side with the good old U . S . S . R . back in the day when it was strong and powerful/rich as well because of money donation's,etc . from them as well . They are a bunch of rent a mob but on a global scale . Some people have to have a cause, right or wrong because it gives them something to do and believe in/fight for even if wrong/dumb and also because they can weld power over their followers . -(ie . Save the snails at the west coast were they were doing coal mining . . . . like get a life it's a F!@# snail you could stand on it and kill it and no one would know) . At the end of the day it looks as though the world is against Israel every time you turn on the radio/tv,read a newspaper/magazine . Why is that? Is it: The Arabs have the oil,let's go on their side . The Arabs are major shareholders in media organisations,so we cant offend them - (shareholders) . There is more Arabs so we will go on there side because they should win in a war (on paper at least) . If only Germany -(Nazi's,WWII) had got ride of the jews we would not have this problem . . . . . . the Nazi's called it . . . . . The Final Soultion . . . . . -Gas Chamber Camps,Concentration Camps,Slave Labour Camps etc . to try and kill all the jews off . -(ie Anti-Semitism thinking etc . still pretty strong in this so called intelligent world today . ) The problem was at the end of WWII when the world was exposed to what the most artistic/ intelligent/modern German's - (or so what the world thought of Germany before WWII) found out what had happened to the Jews during WWII and they could not cover it up,they were like F!@# sorry about that,what can we do,and the Jews were like seeing as you all hate us and wish we were all dead we will leave your countries and start our own country and live there so you guys can stop doing Holocaust's against us and so we dont get another one done to us the only peice of land that we can go to and not get murdered and wiped out again because we DO have SOME links etc . to it, is a place we want to go to and call it Israel . Rest of the world was like sweet as man case solved lets go out to lunch now ah!!! -(Anti-Semitis were like sweet get them out of our countries finish off what the Nazi's did one way or another . . . . oh hay there is a bunch of Arab's living there we can get them to finish of what the Nazi's started and get them out of our countries as well sweet as yeah jews you can have "Israel" haha!!!) So yeah if I was to pick a team to support it would be the Israel side because they have NO OTHER PLACE they can go!!! And the world owes them from: 1 . Throughout histroy doing Holocaust's against the Jews . 2 . When they found out about it during WWII they did not try to stop it,like they did with the V2 rockets sending in commando''s and sabatours to destroy them . -(Could of bombed railway lines/do raids on the camps/smuggle them out to safety/give them weapons etc . and so they could become guerrilla fighters-like the French Resistance)-(Alot of Anti-Semit politician's and high ranking military on the Allie's side wanted the Nazi's to succceed so turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to it when they knew very well what was happening and hoped the Nazi's would succeed before the end of the war) . -(Remember Britian also did have the Nazi Brown Shirts as well who were inflential with people in power and some of them were members of them too) . 3 . Also remember the ship that had Jews in that had got away from Nazi Germany and all the countries that keept turning them away and did not want them - it was made into a movie as well just cant remember it at the moment,that was very,very shameful . 4 . Also the Polish Jews who fought and held out against the Nazi's and had a broadcast radio going and asked for help from the Brits . -to air drop/ parachute weapons to the Polish Jews . The Brits . did not help them . Well the Polish Jews lasted longer and killed more Nazi's then the whole Polish Army did,without any help from any other country even though the radio operator was pleading for help because they knew that the Nazi's were going to kill them the world did not lift a finger to help them,even though the world knew what was happening because of the radio operator broadcasting for help to a world that did nothing . The Arab Palestinian's can get a whole heap of peice of land from there brother Arab Muslims and have a huge country . . . . . but there brother Arab Muslims dont want to do that . . wikipedia . org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni" target="_blank">en . wikipedia . org . com/docs/bakera . htm" target="_blank">emperors-clothes . com . youtube . com/watch?v=d51poygEXYU" target="_blank">www . youtube . com . jewishworldreview . com/0708/tobin072308 . php3" target="_blank">www . jewishworldreview . com And that would solve it give them a peice of Saudi Arabia its huge man and all the Holy Places in Israel can be treated just like any other site seeing place,well apart from they might have to have 2 random UN guards on them that are not Muslim or Jewish - so there is no fighting because they dont really give a f!@# about some Holy Place so they wont fight over it . :2cents:	memphis (2869)
737342	2009-01-13 02:57:00	yes and fixed... You are just plain wrong, SolMiester, regarding the breaking of the cease-fire between Hamas and Israel. Have a look at these two links. www.timesonline.co.uk www.haaretz.com	rumpty (2863)
737343	2009-01-13 03:31:00	You are just plain wrong, SolMiester, regarding the breaking of the cease-fire between Hamas and Israel. Have a look at these two links. www.timesonline.co.uk www.haaretz.com Errr, I read that has Israels going into the occupied territory that they CONTROL to destroy tunnels used by the terrorists?... You are saying that is as good as launching rockets!...I believe their is a big difference between air to ground, ground to ground rocket launches and (newspaper wording of controlled pinpoint) insertion for self preservation... Dont forget, it is the Arabs that want to destroy Israel, not the other way around.	SolMiester (139)
737344	2009-01-13 03:57:00	Errr, I read that has Israels going into the occupied territory that they CONTROL to destroy tunnels used by the terrorists?... You are saying that is as good as launching rockets!...I believe their is a big difference between air to ground, ground to ground rocket launches and (newspaper wording of controlled pinpoint) insertion for self preservation... Don't forget, it is the Arabs that want to destroy Israel, not the other way around. And this Terry and Andy,is the classic taking sides. How the above,which is typical these days can be called the Jewish propaganda machine is beyond me.	Cicero (40)
737345	2009-01-13 04:07:00	Yes Cicero, I am taking sides of course......My family name and probably heritage is Jewish	SolMiester (139)
737346	2009-01-13 04:12:00	Errr, I read that has Israels going into the occupied territory that they CONTROL to destroy tunnels used by the terrorists?... Gaza was not occupied territory. Don't you remember, in 2005 Israel pulled out of Gaza?	rumpty (2863)
737347	2009-01-13 04:24:00	Yes Cicero, I am taking sides of course......My family name and probably heritage is Jewish For once I am your side.	Cicero (40)
737348	2009-01-13 04:32:00	Gaza was not occupied territory. Don't you remember, in 2005 Israel pulled out of Gaza? Gaza lost its borders the moment Hamas came into government...you dont think the Israelies could allow the terrorist to stockpile weapons do you. Hamas may police or not Gaza, but it doesnt control the borders....even Egypt wont open their borders to Gaza	SolMiester (139)
737349	2009-01-13 08:33:00	Did history only start when Jesus was born???? The Israelites were not the first people to settle in that area. We need to go back waaaaay more than 2000 years to see who was there first. The Assyrians took Gaza from the Israelites in about 1100BC but before that the Philistines took it from the Egyptians in about 1200BC. Who controlled the area prior to about 1500/1600BC is a mystery (to me) but various peoples before and after (Greeks, Macedonians, Assyrians, Tyrians, Persians etc.) all have some sort of valid (or not so valid) claim to some part of modern-day Israel/Palestine. Can it be resolved? Of course not - not while there is money to be made from conflict.....and as for state-sponsored terrorism and ignorance of the Geneva Convention (on both sides), that is something we should all fear..... I just found a great document for you Andrew regarding original origin of the people of Israel....while it doesnt go back 10000 years it doesnt seem to mention the Epyption kingdoms at all...Palestinian Myths (www.imninalu.net)	SolMiester (139)
737350	2009-01-13 09:49:00	Thanks for that. As I mentioned earlier the Egyptians took the area from someone else (probably the Canaanites and various other tribes) which that page downright omits given their first mention of invaders is the Philistines (who ejected the Egyptians in about 1100-1200BC). Basically that page is incomplete if you are seeking reference to Egyptians. The Egyptians most probably took it from the Canaanites (pure guess) but the Canaanites were not the first people there either..... Given the area is located very close to the land bridge from Africa (being the birthplace of modern man) and it effectively links three different continents, then there is no doubt it has been populated by mankind for a very very long time. In fact remains have been found that date back to before the last ice age (but that's irrelevant for this discussion, just a factoid). But the Canaanites mentioned in that article were neither Israelites, Hebrews or Jewish. It's a moot point but check this out : en.wikipedia.org and also check out the origin of Semitic languages. So my point still stands that the Israelites were not the original occupiers of the territory in question. If one was to place reliance on the 'Promised Land' text then you have to consider that mentions 8 other tribes in addition to the Canaanites. So I think any claim by any one group (not just the Israelites) as to being the original occupier is 100% spurious. The original occupiers of the land probably had no name for their communal belonging (their ethnic group?), no concept of land ownership and wouldn't even have known they were the original occupiers. I'm not passing judgement, merely stating that any claims by anyone (including the Palestinians) on the basis of historic occupation are not looking at the bigger picture. It seems elimination of previous occupiers or their kingdoms nullifies their claim. In any case, it doesn't excuse the atrocities being committed by both sides in the current conflict and I think most people (maybe not the arms dealers) would prefer if the fighting stopped...... A	andrew93 (249)
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