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| Thread ID: 96454 | 2009-01-11 05:11:00 | Gaza\Israel Conflict | SolMiester (139) | PC World Chat |
| Post ID | Timestamp | Content | User | ||
| 737321 | 2009-01-12 05:40:00 | Hey cool it off SolMiester. There is no need to resort to personal insults. | Jen (38) | ||
| 737322 | 2009-01-12 05:44:00 | . | Metla (12) | ||
| 737323 | 2009-01-12 05:49:00 | I don't dispute the fact the Israelites were in that region 3000 years ago and I never stated the Palestinians were the original occupants - so there is no point mis-stating my position and arguing against that. However, it is a fact the Egyptians were there before the Israelites. This is fact (not opinion) based on archaeological evidence - not a book written by man some years after the fact. If you want to turn this into a religious debate, don't bother because one cannot have a rational discussion with someone coming from an idealogical viewpoint - I'm not going to get dragged into that. The point I'm trying to make is that exactly how far back do you go? At which point do you ignore previous occupants? To selectively include one group and not another on the basis of some arbitrary date is absurd. In your first post you said "how is your history knowledge" and in post 15 you said "The land was original jewish". What is the basis for your version of the history? Because the archaeological evidence doesn't support this. If you don't like being corrected then just say so - but you don't have to abuse me. |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 737324 | 2009-01-12 05:52:00 | Andrew93---2 SolMiester---0 |
Metla (12) | ||
| 737325 | 2009-01-12 06:21:00 | I don't dispute the fact the Israelites were in that region 3000 years ago and I never stated the Palestinians were the original occupants - so there is no point mis-stating my position and arguing against that. However, it is a fact the Egyptians were there before the Israelites. This is fact (not opinion) based on archaeological evidence - not a book written by man some years after the fact. If you want to turn this into a religious debate, don't bother because one cannot have a rational discussion with someone coming from an idealogical viewpoint - I'm not going to get dragged into that. The point I'm trying to make is that exactly how far back do you go? At which point do you ignore previous occupants? To selectively include one group and not another on the basis of some arbitrary date is absurd. In your first post you said "how is your history knowledge" and in post 15 you said "The land was original jewish". What is the basis for your version of the history? Because the archaeological evidence doesn't support this. If you don't like being corrected then just say so - but you don't have to abuse me. Blah blah blah, no where have I ever seen any reference to Egyptians being there 1st, please show me where the fact is! ...I'm not turning this into religious debate, and lastly Andrew, I am simply returning what I felt was a slur against me. |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 737326 | 2009-01-12 06:22:00 | Hey cool it off SolMiester. There is no need to resort to personal insults. Dont tell me to cool it off Jen, I am giving what I felt I rec'd! |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 737327 | 2009-01-12 06:38:00 | Check out the history of the 'New Kingdom' Egyptians. P.S. I'm not saying the Egyptians were there first either - they took it off someone else too! |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 737328 | 2009-01-12 06:50:00 | Dont tell me to cool it off Jen, I am giving what I felt I rec'd! well, I'm willing to be informed. If we accept its fact that mankind has inhabited those lands for thousands of years, what makes it Jewish land? |
Metla (12) | ||
| 737329 | 2009-01-12 07:00:00 | May as well join in the debate :) This is where religion raises its ugly head........... The Jews absolutely believe that their god gave and promised the land to Abraham and his descendents. This absurd belief is really the root of the trouble. "The Promised Land (Hebrew: הארץ המובטחת, translit.: ha-Aretz ha-Muvtachat) is a term used to describe the land promised by God, according to the Hebrew Bible, to the Israelites. The promise is made to Abraham and the descendants of his son Isaac, and Isaac's son Jacob, Abraham's grandson as they are all given promise that their descendants will be given a territory from the river of Egypt to the Euphrates river." en.wikipedia.org Debates like this never get anywhere because neither side, Arab or Jew will ever discard their fanaticism. It also has to be remembered that the Jewish propaganda machine is enormous, worldwide, and backed by America. Personally I go by what Robert Fisk has to say. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 737330 | 2009-01-12 07:05:00 | Well, the old kingdom is a lot to read, and I cant found any reference to the area of Gaza! Perhaps you would be good enough to provide a link? I think you are just being argumentative Andrew for the sake of it! If the Jews were not there 1st, they are acknowledged the world over as the owners of Israel, which is the whole point of the current conflict.. I cant be bothered arguing your view of original owners, as its irrelevant. Oh, for the record, I have no problem being corrected. However derogatory remarks of ignorance certainly wind me up and why I retaliated. |
SolMiester (139) | ||
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