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Thread ID: 96499	2009-01-12 08:41:00	Ethnic Origin	andrew93 (249)	PC World Chat

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738016	2009-01-13 06:14:00	I consider my self a New Zealander. But I am British as I was born in England from English parents. Been here 40 years. I do not like the term Pakeha, and think that any one of Caucasian origin who calls themsleves that is a sickly white liberal.	Digby (677)
738017	2009-01-13 06:19:00	If you put this question on an Australian forum, all the people born in Australia of European origin would call themselves Australians ! So surely similar people should in New Zealand should call themselves New Zealanders. What Maoris or Islanders call themselves is up to them, and they usually want to call themselves Maori or Islanders first, which sort of goes to show their lack of patriotism. Eg when interviewed they play for the All Blacks not New Zealand. I personally think we should drop all those stupid Black Caps, Silver Ferns names and call all of our national teams, including the All Blacks - the New Zealand team.	Digby (677)
738018	2009-01-13 06:37:00	Sorry, I couldn't resist this: Russell Peters: What do you call a child who was born to a Greek and a French? Freek What do you call a child who was born to an Icelander and a Cuban? Little ice cubes	Renmoo (66)
738019	2009-01-13 06:49:00	I don't like the term pakeha. I aint Maori. I agree with just being new zealander.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
738020	2009-01-13 06:51:00	If you put this question on an Australian forum, all the people born in Australia of European origin would call themselves Australians ! Interesting point, and 100 percent correct. You can't imagine that an Aussie on being asked his nationality would consult with an abo as to best describe himself. The word Pakeha sits right alongside the word kaffa.	Metla (12)
738021	2009-01-13 06:53:00	Personally I object to the term Pakeha. I was born in New Zealand and am a Kiwi from 5 generations back. Pakeha comes from the Maori which of course is an official language in New Zealand.	Sweep (90)
738022	2009-01-13 07:04:00	Posting in another thread tonight got me thinking.....at what point should/would 'New Zealander' be considered an ethnic group? Or should that be 'Kiwi'?...... What is the official criteria for recognition of an ethnic group? And who appointed said 'experts' as the judges of ethnic groups anyway? Deep question Andrew and judging from the discussion, there is confusion between ethnicity and national identity. Its really one for an anthropologist. For example, ethnically I'm Scottish with a dash of Cornish - and the Scottish heritage runs deep. I'm proud of it. But my nationality is New Zealander and it wouldn't occur to me to say anything else. Ethnicity stems from ancient tribal groups way way back in pre-history. Separated by mountain ranges etc groups of humans developed differently. For a specific ethnic group to emerge today you'd have to wait, at a guess, 300 years. That's how long it would take to develop unique cultural and biological attributes to be slightly different (just a tiny bit) from other groups of humans. In a world where we can travel and intermix so easily, ethnicity is disappearing, not growing. The only modern one I can think of is the Pennsylvania Dutch who have remained separate from the mainstream for nearly 300 years.	Winston001 (3612)
738023	2009-01-13 07:12:00	Well as I said earlier I am English by birth, have lived here 8 years and been a citizen for 5 years married to a New Zealand born and bred woman who had Dutch parents. Her parents emigrated here in the 50's and had 5 daughters. The older 4 can all get Dutch passports but my SWMBO being the youngest cannot as her parents had taken NZ citizenship before she was born. So according to the law she is a New Zealander. When people ask what I am I would never use the term Pakeha even though I am a white immigrant. Technically I am a POM as I have recently found out it stands for Pomegranate rhyming slang for immigrant although I usually tell people I'm a Viking. Well I could be who knows everyone has invaded England at some point so I have as much chance of being a Viking as being Roman (Italian), Norman (French) but they were Vikings who settled in France at a place called Normandy. I could also be German (Saxon), Celtic, Jute or a Pict who knows or really cares. Nowadays I just say I'm a New Zealander unless it's at the UK immigration the I say English not British. :punk:punk	gary67 (56)
738024	2009-01-13 07:13:00	In a world where we can travel and intermix so easily, ethnicity is disappearing, not growing. The only modern one I can think of is the Pennsylvania Dutch who have remained separate from the mainstream for nearly 300 years. And there not even Dutch they originally came from Germany. SWMBO has Dutch heritage and confirms this.	gary67 (56)
738025	2009-01-13 07:21:00	Deep question Andrew and judging from the discussion, there is confusion between and national identity. No confusion, New Zealander, That is my ethnicity, New Zealand is my country.	Metla (12)
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