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Thread ID: 96799	2009-01-23 05:00:00	Was "P" to blame?	Zippity (58)	PC World Chat

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741433	2009-01-24 07:20:00	Ain't it funny how it is always the Greens, the Pink Left and the PC Korrect Brigade who say that prison and other retention centres are all bad, Usually the Greens have a lot more intelligent and detailed things to say about prison and other detention centres than that they're "all bad". It seems to be you, Zippity, that uses only two words to express a concept. At least the Greens have some argument and thought behind what they think. Maybe Hitler had it right with such scum. That you are capable of using such a comparator sums you up rather well. Its offensive. So are you.	Deane F (8204)
741434	2009-01-24 07:22:00	Looks like it comes down to calling people things like Greens, the Pink Left and the PC Korrect Brigade when you can't argue your case. You fail. If you can't figure out why then you get awarded epic fail.	Metla (12)
741435	2009-01-24 07:38:00	You fail. If you can't figure out why then you get awarded epic fail. Lock me up and throw away the key, just don't make me do time in Wanganui (the town that is, not the prison that keeps the town going).	Twelvevolts (5457)
741436	2009-01-24 07:41:00	No need, Your fail is satisfaction enough.	Metla (12)
741437	2009-01-24 08:14:00	According to Dept of Corrections imprisonment is even less effective than you might think. "Around 68 percent of released prisoners are reconvicted and return to a Corrections-managed sentence, in the community or in prison, within four years of release (the figure for released Māori prisoners is 74 percent)" Corrections add that "well-designed and competently delivered programmes can have positive effects on re-offending rates", but hey I guess they have no money left for that now they're spending all the money building more prisons for those longer sentences. Well, I did say within a short time frame, which I couldn't remember clearly. Well-designed and competently delivered my ass. As told from an ex-prisoner (will probably be renewed if he continues living like this), the programs are certainly NOT 'well-designed' and is most likely not 'competently delivered' to many. Who thinks that? With the way New Zealand does its 'justice', then whoever has the power to change and revolutionise the system and hand out appropriate punishment, build the correct facilities, and maintain a proper judicial process. Not a process that punishes victims and grants the convicted all the legal defence they need paid for by the victims themselves (hey, the victims are bound to be taxpayers). I actually like the Greens, aside from their PC crap about justice and no death sentence, I like what they stand for mostly - flora and fauna. The only thing I hate about what they stand for is the way they do things.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
741438	2009-01-24 08:23:00	Take the Catholic approach and call everyone sinners. Then just kill everyone. Save money on building prisons. I think NZ would almost be good enough for some people in here if there was nobody left. Prefect would still find a pinko/commie plot amongst the Keas though. It would be like a genocide, but for everyone. (By the way I'm kidding. I'm all for rehabilitation schemes. In parts of the world where they take them seriously they have very low recidivism rates. Look at Scandanavia. In contrast look at the states.)	Thebananamonkey (7741)
741439	2009-01-24 09:34:00	Fatal shot fired by officer The post-mortem examination of 17 year-old Halatau Naitoko, who was fatally shot while travelling on the Northwestern Motorway yesterday afternoon, was carried out this morning and was attended by an ESR ballistics expert who has advised Police that the fatal shot came from a Police issue firearm..... five shots were fired by Police at the motorway scene yesterday. 'The firearms used by Police at the motorway scene were seized yesterday and all spent rounds have been accounted for,' Mr Shortland said. Oh dear So did the officer shoot the wrong person or was the shot person caught in the line of fire.	wmoore (6009)
741440	2009-01-24 09:41:00	Experience (and research) shows that almost no rehabilitation programs for recidivist criminals work worth a damn. Crime is part of a free society. It's an insoluble problem. Any government given enough power to "stamp out" crime would lose any resemblance to a democracy.	Deane F (8204)
741441	2009-01-24 09:51:00	They are designed to splatter for want of a scientific name and not just a make a hole in someone and carry on to wax someone else. True dum-dum is hollow nosed and designed to mushroom on impact (or a soft nose modified to encourage it to split) and their use is banned by international convention so there is no way a police officer here would or could fire such a round. Softnose ammunition is also classified the same as hollow-nose dum dum and spreads to increase the chances of a kill, and yes they may cause a large exit wound but they are not going to do much in the way of collateral damage to bystanders as you suggested, but they are banned anyway. A high velocity hard-nose is only likely kill a bystander in the direct line of fire. It was a tragic accident that wouldn't have happened if the offender had not carried a fire arm and used it indiscriminately. I feel for the officer who fired the shot and the dead boy's family; I don't give a toss for the crim who caused it all, and I care even less about you and your future if you make inflammatory statements like that without genuine and verifiable facts to back them up. If a crim was shooting at you or yours you'd be crying out for Uzi equipped Officers to come to your aid and you wouldn't question their ammo either. Of course you may be just a kid and not know what you are talking about, but that's no excuse. Billy 8-{( :rolleyes:	Billy T (70)
741442	2009-01-24 10:07:00	According to Dept of Corrections imprisonment is even less effective than you might think. "Around 68 percent of released prisoners are reconvicted and return to a Corrections-managed sentence, in the community or in prison, within four years of release (the figure for released Māori prisoners is 74 percent)" Corrections add that "well-designed and competently delivered programmes can have positive effects on re-offending rates", but hey I guess they have no money left for that now they're spending all the money building more prisons for those longer sentences. I always find it curious that the policies pursued by "Sensible Sentencing" types are the same ones that are more likely to create more offending. I suspect we do not need more prisons. Why not just put bunks in the cells so that a cell is shared? Some people can't get a job after incarceration and therefore choose to reoffend. People are sometimes put in prison to protect the general public. So what penalty would you give a member of the AOS for shooting a person possibly by accident. I would not want to be a Judge or Magistrate. But if I were I would only be able to listen to evidence produced by the Prosecution and Defence. But Justice there is not a lot at times. I guess that DeaneF has not had time to read through the decision about "technical assault" yet. Evasion and equivoction come to mind here.	Sweep (90)
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